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Old 10-03-2010, 10:48 PM
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its easily achievable... maybe not as easy in the north american market for trucks / suv's but the majority of europe / japan drive vehicles that are easily capable of 40 mpg plus now so taking them to 60 odd isnt a far stretch.

for example.. here the most fuel efficient mid size salon is claimed to be the ford fusion hybrid.... but in the europe you can buy a turbo diesel mondeo (same size) that * all over the fusions mpg, yet the big manufacturers dont sell these vehicles over here (every company has loads of excellent fuel efficient cars that they simply dont sell here)
Yes but you can put the entire europe in a few states or alaska. Try going 3 K in a bug, you wouldn' be able to stand up after the first few days. It is a different world over there. We just got back from a 3 K round trip and only hit 3 and 1/2 states.

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I am not opposed to electric vehicles as long as its not the combustion equilvelant of 100 ft lb tq. I really just wish Americans would learn to love diesel better on almost every level. I just do not need a 2500 nor want to spend that much. Give me 3l Cummins Dakota or 1500
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Yes but you can put the entire europe in a few states or alaska. Try going 3 K in a bug, you wouldn' be able to stand up after the first few days. It is a different world over there. We just got back from a 3 K round trip and only hit 3 and 1/2 states.
distance or size of a place has nothing to do with it.
europe has a lot of large saloon cars that you can cover 3k easily and very comfortably... there not all small cars. you just dont get many large suvs or pick ups. but there is a much larger variety of large saloon cars that easily cover the long journeys.

its just a shame that the same car makers choose not to sell them or the variety of engines over here i'm sure in time more of the engines seen in cars over there will be seen here.
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its easily achievable... maybe not as easy in the north american market for trucks / suv's but the majority of europe / japan drive vehicles that are easily capable of 40 mpg plus now so taking them to 60 odd isnt a far stretch.

for example.. here the most fuel efficient mid size salon is claimed to be the ford fusion hybrid.... but in the europe you can buy a turbo diesel mondeo (same size) that * all over the fusions mpg, yet the big manufacturers dont sell these vehicles over here (every company has loads of excellent fuel efficient cars that they simply dont sell here)
I have read this too.^^^^
just a couple of years ago. VW said they have a sedan capable of 75 mpg. Turbo diesel I think. It wouldn't pass emissions...here in US.
So a 'detuned' version now making 40-45 mpg is here in the States.

Can anyone please explain to me, how two cars going down the same road, where one is using almost half the fuel than the other, will pollute more???

Some have tried to explain to me that the 'formula' to compute emissions is actually based not only on % of pollutants in a sample exaust.... but also factoring in mpg as well.

Therefore, the more the vehicle gets for mpg, the 'cleaner' it must be. (per mile)


If vehicle "A" gets 35 miles per gallon.... and emits (this is just a wild guess here) 2 pounds of 'nasty' per mile

Using the formula that epa has intact means Vehicle "B" that gets 70 mpg must have only 1 pound of nasty per mile.

Which to me make some sense, if half the fuel is being burned per mile, shouldn't it make half the pollution? But to disallow because it is 'dirty' compared to something getting half the ecomomy doesn't make sense.
but then again..... what in gov't makes sense anyway?

Heck, if one car @ the 2 pound level of nasty per mile is good, why not let one in getting double the milage, putting out 1.75??
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