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Todays engine oil is far different than what you could buy only 10 years ago

This subject is always controversial & you may disagree with the research that i have done
before you read this, remember that if your vehicle is still under warranty, you may want to comply with your dealers recommended lubrication standards for mileage & duration (length of time)

every up to date article that i have read about the first oil change, reads that the first oil change should be done at the end of the break in period to clean out the metals that were not fully flushed out in the machining process. The break in period on todays engines is 1000 km or 621.4 miles
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The synthetics offer the only truly significant differences, due to their superior high temperature oxidation resistance, high film strength, very low tendency to form deposits, stable viscosity base, and low temperature flow characteristics. Synthetics are superior lubricants compared to traditional petroleum oils. You will have to decide if their high cost is justified in your application.

The extended oil drain intervals given by the vehicle manufacturers(typically 7500 miles) and synthetic oil companies(up to 25,000 miles) are for what is called normal service. Normal service is defined as the engine at normal operating temperature, at highway speeds, and in a dust free environment. Stop and go, city driving, trips of less than 10 miles, or exterme heat or cold puts the oil change interval into the severe service category, which is 3000 miles for most vehicles. Synthetics can be run two to three times the mileage of petroleum oils with no problems. They do not react to combustion and combustion by-products to the extent that the dead dinosaur juice does. The longer drain intervals possible help take the bite out of the higher cost of the synthetics. If your car or bike is still under warranty you will have to stick to the recommended drain intervals. These are set for petroleum oils and the manufacturers make no official allowance for the use of synthetics. Some oil companies, AMSOIL being an example, offer their own engine warranties. If the oils are used in compliance with the company's recommendations (including extended drain intervals) and a problem is caused by the engine oil, the company will pay for the repairs. Check with the company for specifics of any warranties offered.

Oil additives should not be used. The oil companies have gone to great lengths to develop an additive package that meets the vehicle's requirements. Some of these additives are synergistic, that is the effect of two additives together is greater than the effect of each acting separately. If you add anything to the oil you may upset this balance and prevent the oil from performing to specification

How to Read an Oil Bottle - What do those letters and numbers mean ...really?
Before you can read an oil bottle it helps to understand what all of the abbreviations stand for that you may see posted on a bottle of motor oil. This information will deal specifically with the typical bottle of motor oil you will find at your local auto parts store in the U.S.

SAE - Society of Automotive Engineers (http://www.sae.org) - opens a new window
These guys set standards beyond those used in lubricants, but since this is the system most see on oil bottles dealing with viscosity, we'll list them first.

API - American Petroleum Institute (http://www.api.org/) - opens a new window
Created around 1930 they have set the standards for oil quality and performance in the U.S. market. The API is comprised of the major oil companies. In other words, for the most part oil standards in the U.S. have been set by the oil companies until recently when the JASO and ILSAC came into the scene. ILSAC, JASO and the ACEA represent auto/truck manufacturers that set oil quality standards.

ILSAC - International Lubricant Standardization and Approval Committee (http://www.ilma.org/)

ACEA - European Automobile Manufacturers Association (http://www.acea.be/about_us)

JASO - Japanese Automobile Standards Organization (http://www.jsa.or.jp/default_english.asp)

ASTM - American Society of Testing Materials (http://www.astm.org/)

You may not see these guys on a bottle of motor oil, but they set standards worldwide for everything from bolts to electrical wiring. Their testing methods show up on all things including lubricants and filters.

read more about why engine oil deteriorates
http://www.upmpg.com/lubricationnews...tes/index.html

More than 380 million gallons of used oil are recycled each year, according to the U.S. EPA, that’s more than 50 percent of all motor oil purchased annually.

Longer lasting oils can reduce the generation of used oil. However, once generated, used motor oil can be reused or recycled one of three ways: reconditioning, reprocessing/energy recovery or re-refining
http://earth911.com/recycling/automo...led-motor-oil/


Types of Oil Filters & oil filter ISO 4548-12 multi-pass test (newest standard)
•Oil filters that fall into the bad category are standard paper filters that have cardboard end caps. There have been problems reported where pieces of the paper or cardboard end up in unwanted places, such as the engine. Paper filters generally filter down to 40 microns

Advanced filters with oil filter elements made from paper, fiberglass and cellulose are effective down to 15 microns or less. Advanced filters also boast more surface area on their filter elements so they have more capacity to catch and hold debris in the oil. Some of the best and most effective oil filters utilize several filtering elements rolled into one.

No oil filter is 100 percent effective. When shopping for oil filters, read your oil filter label to determine what type of filter element is being used as well as the claimed percentage of effectiveness.


Read more: Cross Referance Guide for an Oil Filter | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/way_6039951_cros...#ixzz11nj5tUwP
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What's interesting is my dealer said there is no "break in" period and to just come in at 3k miles or 3mo as normal. Also they said to disregard the longer mileage period in the owner's manual.

So, who's right?
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personally, i don't think that a service writer at any dealership knows as much as any shadetree mechanic does. Most of them went to classes to be polite & smile as they say the words 'don't worry about that, they all do it'

You know yourself that the engine can't be completely flushed after machining & those little metal particles just hang there waiting to work the way into the pan & hopefully stay there, thats where a magnet in the pan comes in handy, if it should be picked up by the oil pump then the oil filter catches it, it won't continue any further, unless the filter blows out & the junk re-enters the oil system.
I would almost be willing to bet that upon the first oil change, there are a lot of little shavings in the drained oil
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Chrysler doesn't specify a break-in mileage but it certainly won't hurt to do the first oil change before the recommended interval. Consider this - if particle contamination were a big concern, there would be a break-in oil spec because they want to cover themselves and prevent warranty repairs as much as possible. The owners manuals clearly state the under no circumstances should the oil change interval exceed 6000 miles.
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Mr GT, Thank you for your time and effort putting this together on motor oil standards very interesting and helpful.I hope folks here on this forum take note and find it helpful.It certainly changes my perceptions on oil and shows my ignorance.One thing I have seen elsewhere is that 80% of engine ware is in starting that really surprises me.
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Chrysler doesn't specify a break-in mileage but it certainly won't hurt to do the first oil change before the recommended interval. Consider this - if particle contamination were a big concern, there would be a break-in oil spec because they want to cover themselves and prevent warranty repairs as much as possible. The owners manuals clearly state the under no circumstances should the oil change interval exceed 6000 miles.
It's funny you say that . When I get new equipment at my job , the owners manual says that at the 100 hour mark to change out all the filters and motor oil then resume as usual .
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Carrying on about engine ware years ago it was always recommended that to drive the vehicle straight away after starting and not let it idle when cold, does that still apply though we have remote starts now so we can warm the cabin and maybe the engine?
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Thanks for all the great info GT!

uktitus I was always told that it is better for the motor to sit and warm up before taking off. That is why I am making a point of buying a remote starter kit to install in my truck. Where did you hear other wise?
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Thanks for all the great info GT!

uktitus I was always told that it is better for the motor to sit and warm up before taking off. That is why I am making a point of buying a remote starter kit to install in my truck. Where did you hear other wise?
I am sixty four I have a friend in England who has run a repair shop for about forty years he served his apprenticeship with Jaguar and that what was always recommended I have been here for nearly 20 years and things change also different countries develop different attitudes and Ideas.
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