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I am on the verge of buying a 2011 Ram 3500 CTD 6 speed stick shift long box Laramie.
I tow a 14,000lbs 5th wheel in the summer, and once a year down to Oregon from Canada.
I am looking at towing abilities and it would seem my current 03 Ram 2500 with the old 3 speed box can tow just as much....?
Why am I buying a new truck, well I was looking for a long box for a start, then hoped the 100hp increase would be great and a bigger crew cab etc.
Unfortunately it would seem a Laramie longbox is only available in 6 speed manual shift. Then I found all the towing sites that tell me the Manual shift can only tow 2000lbs less than a 6 speed Auto....this blew me away, but on Dodge.com it tells me the 3500 std can not tow 14000lbs. Should I be buying a Auto if I plan to tow...what is the point of even making standard shifts then, I always thought they could tow more than a Auto?
Any advice, or experiences would be great.
My 03 is doing just dandy with the 5th wheel and have been for 4 years.
Would it be safe to tow that much with a 6 speed manual?
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Cummins Turbo Diesel 6.7L

i looked at the Dodge Ram site, went into the build your own part

3500 CC Laramie LB standard stick 3.73 rear differential dually tows 11,500 LBS, non dually tows 11,000, but, i think that is rear hitch weight, 5th wheel would change that, i think

3500 CC Laramie LB standard stick 3.73 rear differential4X4 tows 12,200 LBS
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What do you mean 5th wheel changes that, your GCWR stays at 19000lbs and 21000lbs for the standard and Auto respectively.
My GCWR on my current setup is regularly well over 21000lbs. In fact I once weighed and the scales put me at $22500lbs.
I still do not get what the standard will do with my 5th wheel compared to my current truck. It would seem from 03 till now, no more can be towed....no real gains in technology in 8 years....!
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Here's what the body builder's guide says. Ram 3500 Crew Cab Long Bed 4x4 dual rear wheel.

Manual: 3.73 gears 13,100 max trailer. This could probably be significantly increased by bumping the gears up to 4.10 if it doesn't void warranty.

Auto: 4.10 gears 16,700 max trailer. I have no idea why the 4.10s are listed/offered with the auto and not the stick.

I have to admit as much as I love my Ram, those are pretty lame numbers for a 1 ton dually.
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i have to wonder, is it that the old leaf spring setup is the key to more weight ?
thicker, wider, stacked springs ?
Do the 3500 models have leaf springs or coils in the rear ?

I see that there are 2 models of the 3500, the one for pickup trucks & the other is the 3500 CHASSIS CAB, The 2009 Ram Chassis Cab 3500 got a variable-valve-timing Hemi, with horsepower ratings unreleased at press time but expected to be 355 hp and 395 lb-ft of torque; new optional axle ratios of 3.42 (manual transmission) and 3.73 (automatic) were added for better gas mileage. New brakes extended service intervals and cut stopping distances while improving gas mileages, while the GCWR rose to class leading 24,000 pounds. A new tailpipe and resonator was added to the Hemi, cruise was made standard (with an optional delete), and the Cummins 6.7/automatic got an optional remote start.

the pickup model 3500
The Dodge Ram heavy duty 2500/3500 pickups got the variable valve timing Hemi for 355 hp and 395 lb-ft of torque, with a standard automatic on 2500 models; all 3500 models got a standard 6.7 liter Cummins turbodiesel and limited slip rear axle. Larger front and rear brake rotors were fitted (360 mm and 358 mm), with twin-piston calipers. The manual transmission-Hemi combination was dropped, and remote start made optional on 6.7-liter Cummins engines. Power Wagon continued, but now only in Quad Cab form. The Ram 2500 Box-Off continued with the same changes.
The 6.7 liter Cummins diesel with standard exhaust brake capability now has 350 hp and 650 lb-ft of torque with best-in-class low-end torque; it has a 5/100 limited engine warranty and is the cleanest engine in the Heavy Duty segment. A six-speed automatic with two overdrive gears has better launches and gas mileage, and lets drivers manually choose gears. Payload is up to 5,130 lb, with 16,850 lb of towing capacity.
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Here's the biggest marketing ploy of the century, "class leading towing of up to 24000lbs"....what that means is:
....if you buy a $70k truck with all the bells and whistles you can still only tow a smallish 5th wheel of maybe 11,000lbs,
....if you want the 24000lbs you buy a single cab, at most SLT, chassis cab, 2wd drw truck, with 4:10 gears.....then only do you get the class leading ability.

I looked at GMC and Ford and they all feed us the same BS....

...oh well, looks like I am once again going to be towing way more than what Dodge believes their trucks can do.
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Here's the biggest marketing ploy of the century, "class leading towing of up to 24000lbs"....what that means is:
....if you buy a $70k truck with all the bells and whistles you can still only tow a smallish 5th wheel of maybe 11,000lbs,
....if you want the 24000lbs you buy a single cab, at most SLT, chassis cab, 2wd drw truck, with 4:10 gears.....then only do you get the class leading ability.

I looked at GMC and Ford and they all feed us the same BS....

...oh well, looks like I am once again going to be towing way more than what Dodge believes their trucks can do.
I stand corrected, both Ford and GMC are willing and do print on the brochures that they can tow up to (GCWR) 29000lbs with a 3500 truck. Dodge only 24500lbs.....
Both the Ford and GMC quote a higher towing weight if towing a 5th wheel. Why I dont know, it still boils down to GCWR. Wonder what Dodge would say if asked what the max trailer weight would be if towing a 5th wheel?
Both Ford and GM add approximately 4000lbs in increased ability if going from a hitch trailer to a fiver.
....I drove all 3 today, still buying the Dodge. Based on the fact that I beat the living daylights out of my existing truck by regularly towing a fiver well in excess of what it supposedly can do...whithout missing a beat, imagine what a Dodge can do if 7 years newer.....
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Gents I am now a new 2011 Ford F350 owner, keep loving the Cummins, great reliable motors.
But 400hp and 800lbft is lots. Besides Ford prints on brochures that a F350 diesel can tow 15800lbs 5th wheels (in Lariat trim). They print this stuff cause they belive it....WHY does Dodge not print this stuff? Why is every one Dodging the issue???? why F why?
I am slightly pissed at Dodge....I love my Cummins but they dropped the ball with that 350hp motor, they could have outdone Ford and GM 3 years ago already....
Any way, keep on trucking, and everytime a Dodge pass me I will look at it with fond memories...or should I say when I pass a Dodge...
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