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Old 02-18-2011, 04:29 PM
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Does anyone know if the factory uses spark plug antiseize on the HEMI? My concern is not having to change the spark plugs at 50k,kms I am worried they will rust in there before I get close, it's been 2 years and we only have 14k, kms so at that rate we wont need them for like 5 years, will they rust in or should i have them changed like at 3 years just for fun. I have gold warranty so I imagine I would be covered but I don't want an engine with 4 helicoils in it, I could live with one but prefer none! I am wondering if that catch can deal would help to keep plugs cleaner?
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You probably gonna be ok . I don't think the factory uses anti-seize . If your that worried about it . Pull the plugs and anti-seize them now . But I think you'll be fine .
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Yeah, anti-seize definitely can't hurt. I used it in the oilfield out in the gulf for nearly 30yrs, where everything seizes from salt. It was a life saver.
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My owners manual says to change the plugs at 30,000 miles (50,000 km) OR 30 months. IMHO that means which ever comes first, not at your choice.
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Modern plugs have a special coating that serves as an anti seize. The torque settings for plug installation take that into account. If you change the plugs you do not need to apply anti-seize but if you do, then you need to compensate for it regarding the torque used. Because the anti seize has lubrication, the recommended torque setting for new plugs will result in over-tightening and then maybe problems with threads as the dissimilar metals expand and contract at different temperatures. As a matter of fact, plug manufactures warn installers to "DO NOT APPLY ANTI SEIZE". The other aspect of this discussion is that once the new plugs are installed and removed, some of the coating gets rubbed off which will then cause the seizing of the plugs, in this case you need to apply some anti seize and do your best to get them torqued right. You are better off buying new plugs every time or have the dealer do the job so if something goes wrong, they will be responsible.
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I've seen the aforementioned coated plugs seize in heads before. If you checked my plugs, you'd find antiseize on them. It's cheap insurance.
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If you don't get the torque correct they may seize, if you remove them and scratch the coating, and then reuse them, they may seize. I doubt that the original Chrysler design is conducive to seizing or they would go broke fixing the heads. I would almost bet that the ones Ram Tech is referring to are not the original plugs and were pulled by the owner to clean and re-gap without anti seize. I doesn't pay to reuse old plugs and then not torque them properly. I don't want to be argumentative but if the plug manufacturer and Chrysler both tell you to not use anti seize, then I won't.
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the other thing to consider is that the plugs r in a nearly sealed chamber where the coil boosts seal the outside of the plug deep into the head. this isnt some antique design where the plugs hang off the sides of the motor next to the exhaust. most plugs located in tubes will look brand new after years of service because of there location. in my opinion the more you fiddle around with those boots and plugs the more likely you r to have human error enter the equation with poorly sealed boots or improperly installed plugs. the last thing u want is a spark plug tube with condensation and debris in it.
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the other thing to consider is that the plugs r in a nearly sealed chamber where the coil boosts seal the outside of the plug deep into the head. this isnt some antique design where the plugs hang off the sides of the motor next to the exhaust. most plugs located in tubes will look brand new after years of service because of there location. in my opinion the more you fiddle around with those boots and plugs the more likely you r to have human error enter the equation with poorly sealed boots or improperly installed plugs. the last thing u want is a spark plug tube with condensation and debris in it.
Now this is the way I wish my mind would work....I am going to check the manual and if if does indeed say or 30 months then I will have them done by the dealer of course so when things go wrong they can eat it. But I would just as soon them no have a problem, would rather the plug come out and go in easy. I also want to see the condition of them and where each one came from even if I have to pay extra for them to keep track of that. If they look like new and are stilled within range for the gap I will be sending them to Chrysler for my money back. Labour included.
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I don't want to be argumentative but if the plug manufacturer and Chrysler both tell you to not use anti seize, then I won't.
This is the same argument for not installing bed trim on 2001 and 2002 trucks vs 2000 an pre model year trucks. It save money not to have items installed. Not applying anti seize can save them millions of dollars per year when you sell 10 million automobiles.

I have always used it and I would always recommend it...jut ask Ford about plugs stuck in heads. Now they say use antiseize even on the one piece plugs. Its up to you, but all mechanics I know use it. And if you use a torque wrench for final torque, turn it back about 1 ft/lb.
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