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Very interesting, never heard of this, thanks for the clarification Randy.

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Amazing. What I do know is that I tried that E85 crap once and will never do it again. I've never gotten such poor fuel economy!

Good to know that's something that they're suggesting that i can look out for
Like RamTech said, you need more of it, hence poor mileage.

Here's the math -
Ethanol has a BTU factor of 1.8 compared to gasoline. Takes 1.8 times the amount of ethanol to generate the same BTU's of energy as gasoline.

E85 = 85% Ethanol, 15% gasoline

1.8 x 85/100 = 1.53

Based on that, you should realistically expect to require 1.53times as much E85 fuel as you would gasoline to operate your vehicle. This would roughly equate to a 35% reduction in mileage. So if you get 18mpg with gasoline, then expect 11-12mpg with E85.

Does this jive with your experience? If so, math wins! If not, I'll retake Grade 1.
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You can thank all the clean air advocates and the corn lobby for this. Ethanol doesn't really make any difference as far as keeping air cleaner but it does take away from our food base (ie: corn based products cost you more) and it makes the corn growers richer due to subsidies (you make more by selling corn for gas than for food). It also makes the engines run crappier. I'm surprised you guys have a choice in other places. Our gas has a certain amount of ethanol all the time. I've seen it printed at the pumps, can't remember what percentage right now, but they started that here like 20 years ago. The percentage probably changes with the seasons, but they claim it is to reduce pollution.
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Our choicecs are slim here. I live in a town of about 60,000 and only 3 places sell ethanol-free fuel.
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Here the average ethanol in 87 octane is 15%. One thing we don't need in the winter....gas line antifreeze.

Shell V-power 91 octane = NO ETHANOL

That'll be my summer fuel with a summer tune compliments of DS!
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Here the average ethanol in 87 octane is 15%. One thing we don't need in the winter....gas line antifreeze.

Shell V-power 91 octane = NO ETHANOL
This is why I buy Shell or PetroCan's 91 and only run the DSP 91 tune... people running the 93 tune on Husky 94 are putting 20% ethanol in their tanks. One of many reasons I don't like Husky.
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20%? Geez, that's enough to put the screws to your powertrain warranty!
Holy Crap! I never even thought of it from that perspective!
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we know that the price of SWEET CORN in the stores has gone up a bunch
the Ethanol for use in our gas tanks, comes from common Field Corn, (cow corn)

It is also important to note that ethanol is produced from field corn fed to livestock, not
sweet corn grown for human use
. The amount of field corn used for human food processing
(starch, sweeteners, and cereal) normally amounts to just 5 percent of total corn usage.
Corn demand for food processing markets has been flat for the last 15 years

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so if i understand this right...ethanol is cleaner, but you have to use more of it. so it will cost more to run ethanol than gasoline. and the emissions will be about the same since i have to use 1.5 times as much ethanol.


thats stupid... i think i'll stick to using dead dinosaur in my truck.
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