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having driven both, the eco boost is quick, however still feels and sounds like a 6 cylinder motor. I can't believe over the long haul the 6 will be nearly as reliable. The turbo's spin at 205,000 rpm ao aomething is bound to break...
Seriously! I would have never got this question right on a test. Had anyone asked me, I'd have 'guessed' 30,000+, but would never have guessed 6 digit speeds.
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Having just went thru this exercise, I'll add my doc centavos:

A qualifier first- I LOVE turbo cars, and have built and raced some 20+ Buick Grand Nationals since 1986. Being that the GN/T-Type is based on mid 70s technology, it's a true wonder that we could push them to 450+ hp on stock internals without much drama. One has to believe that thing have gotten only better in the ensuing 30+ years (it has, believe me )

Boosted V-6s can and do make strong, reliable power.

I originally wanted to take a serious look at the F-150 because of the reviews, as well as the fact that they didn't take the government bailout money, and have thrived. I respect that.

That being said, I did like the performance of the EcoBoost; smooth, linear power delivery that makes it a serious contender against anything in its class (before you start modding!) and a decent chassis ride. The XLT package was decently equipped with the usual suicide doors for the extended cab I was looking at. Great instrument cluster, too.

Here's what tilted my decision to the Ram:

Ride: Hands down, the Ram is the comfort winner. The Ford felt like I was sitting on cardboard, and the suspension let you know you were in a truck.

Performance: I found that the Ford's V-6 did ok while not boosted, and was pure sex under boost- and the transition was very smooth. That being said, I found the Ram to simply perform better, and is rated about the same HP/TQ and MPG. One would thing that the V-6 should give much better MPG, and it lives its life under boost maybe 10% of the time.......

Looks: The Ford is ugly and bland. The commercials play it up a bit, but as has been said- "The truth is the truth- the rest is merely interesting". Outside, the F-150 looks flatfaced and slabsided- boring at best to me. Inside, the bland theme continued. Lots of flat surfaces, and nothing that reached out and got me really interested.

Price: The deal was better. Ford is plenty proud of the F-150, and was almost 4K higher when all was said and one.

Technology: I like the Ecoboost. At the same time, Ford has a record of lots of hype for a new engine release, only to see it go down in flames (can anybody say 6.0l Powerstroke diesel!) I don't want to be living in the dealership with a new engine. Lets give it a few years of real world experience and see where the cards fall.....

The final factor for me was the dealer experience. I used the USAA affiliation for pricing, so there would be minimal games at the dealer. Sound Ford in Renton, WA was a joke- a throwback to the bad old days of buying a car.

In stark contrast, the team at West Hills Dodge in Bremerton, WA http://www.westhillscjd.com/bremerto...new-ram-tacoma is a class act- go see Mel Blanton (360-560-7977 cell) if you're in the market to buy AND want to be treated like the valued customer you are. Completely worth the drive.

I know I made the right decision.
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Seriously! I would have never got this question right on a test. Had anyone asked me, I'd have 'guessed' 30,000+, but would never have guessed 6 digit speeds.
Yup. Turbos usually spin at about 120k rpm or so while driving along not boosting the engine......
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Turbos can last over a million miles on diesels. On gas engines it remains to be seen if turbos can be made to outlast the engine.
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SeattlePete,
Good comparison, nice to see someone else remembers the Buick GN also,
I'll keep my Hemi Ram V8, works great for me....
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Yup. Turbos usually spin at about 120k rpm or so while driving along not boosting the engine......
I'm truly impressed! I would never have guessed.
What I know about turbos -
1) Very popular on diesel engines, and appear to last a long time
2) They are one method of applying forced induction.
3) Places the Eco Boost in class it wouldn't attain without it/them.

What I don't know about turbos -
.....every thing else!

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Turbos can last over a million miles on diesels. On gas engines it remains to be seen if turbos can be made to outlast the engine.
I'm not very knowledgeable on turbos, but I don't see why they would suffer from reduced life on a gas engine.
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Turbos can last over a million miles on diesels. On gas engines it remains to be seen if turbos can be made to outlast the engine.

They ''last'' over million miles on diesel with rebuilt.
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Turbos can last over a million miles on diesels. On gas engines it remains to be seen if turbos can be made to outlast the engine.
Not quite an apples to oranges comparison. Turbos on a gas engine can last just as long as on a diesel engine, if the maintenance is kept up and the engine is not run at 100% load all the time (as us gas engine power freaks like to do!).

Don't change the oil, shut down after a hot run without letting the turbo cool down a a bit- a turbo will fail, whether it be a gas or diesel engine.
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can't believe this thread is still moving along. let me add a few things.

turbos, for example, can last and do last the life of a cummins 5.9 engine.
turbos have lasted the life of a gasoline engines, think audi. been using them on their engines for over twenty years.
i believe the ecoboost is the future of engines, more power from less displacement and in theory less gasoline. i have read articles that the pentistar engine was engineered so turbos can be added in later production years without completely re-engineering the entire engine. we may be looking at the 8 cyl engines much the same as the days carberaters were replaced by fuel injection.
i did test drive a ford ecoboost 150 before i bought my 11 ram. i found the ecoboost to be pretty amazing for a six cyl. engine. good power, i liked the sound of turbos spooling, and for me i don't mind the overall lay out of the dash, or find the looks of the truck unappealing. i just don't thinks fords history of designing and building engines can be ignored. think 6.0, and the 6.4 diesel. seems to me they took diesel technology, twin turbos and direct injection and added it o a gas engine. since they couldn't get diesel technology to work on a diesel engine, why would anyone think they could get it to work on a gas engine. my thoughts on this seem to be proving itself correct, if you read some of the posts on the 150 ecoboost forums many are complaining of excess soot in the tailpipe and very dirty oil. this combined with the carbon deposits around the valves that direct injection are known for, the longevity and reliabiitey of these engines is very guestionable. many on these forums are also complaining of not coming close to the mpg that ford advertised. as for just the turbos lasting, that will depend on how many cheap chinese parts were used in them. sorry for subjecting you all to my thoughts and rant.

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I agree! We looked at the Ecoboost and the 5.0 both. In our take the ecoboost pulled like a diesel but we still liked the V8 power. The F150 is a good truck but not very nice looking and the interior is not comfortable in the driver seat. We chose the Ram due in part to looks, creature comfort, and overall power. Yes, we got the 4.7 not the Hemi "all they had on the lot" but still it is a proven engine. It has been around for several years now. The Ecoboost = still awaiting decision, 5.0 = modulars been around for over 15 years now in but still spitting out spark plugs.
Ram = well we have owned over 23 vehicles in 16 years and 12 of them have been Dodge mostly Durango's and Ram the rest have been alot of Mustangs. Ram I feel has it all over the others and is getting better. They all have quality issues no doubt but I am not one to jump on first year engine's as there are to many unknowns.
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