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My impression of the ecoboost fuel mileage is mostly hype. Its a great marketing strategy now with the price of fuel at the pump. I honestly wish the truck would have gotten what ford advertises in real driving conditions. For what it costs extra over having a V8 it should. And also, id rather see people driving F-150's than Focus's any day.

I have many co-workers and friends that drive trucks. I have rode in them all at some point (Ford, Dodge, Chevy, GMC, Toyota, Nissan). To each their own. Every truck has its strengths and weaknesses. Typically, trucks just plain stink at gas mileage. Its hard to get around that fact that your driving around a light tank.

To get around this you have to beat the system, and by the system I mean physics (ie. lower weight materials, better body aerodynamics, less friction parts, increased engine efficiency, better gearing, better lubrication, electric fans and pumps) without sacrificing power, of course.

From what I have seen personally with the Ecoboost it does have nice power. But the numbers on fuel MPG are a little off. Highway driving yielded ~17/18. City was closer to 15/16. I dont have a picture of the highway MPG's but I was able to manage one of mostly a tank of gas after my friend drove around a week around the town where I work. Just my 2 cents.

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well I get 15/16 around town and up to 19/20 on highway and I can absolutely smoke an ecoboost!!!
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The Fords are UGLY!!!! 'Nuff Said!!!
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well I get 15/16 around town and up to 19/20 on highway and I can absolutely smoke an ecoboost!!!

I agree with both of your statements. The ford has a boxier exterior, interior is plainer than the dodge, and is more complex (engine wise with a turbo charger). Any good mechanic or engineer would tell you that your going to have failures no matter how well you design something or maintain it. Better to design it as simple as needed to reduce the overall cost of maintence when things do break.

Actually, since I have posted the comment above, my friend has taken the truck in because he has been experiencing "rough idle" engine vibration problems (looked already for loose vaccum hoses, bad plugs, etc.). Makes me cringe just to think about working on a vehicle that only has 12k on it.

Personally, speed-wise, the eco-boost doesnt feel that much faster than the hemi or any well powered V8 truck. Most of when the truck accelerated seemed to be past the 40mph range. The only way around this was to spool up the turbos at launch.

Bottom line is with all the "technology" the ford has it won't save you any money in fuel costs or total cost of ownership.

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I wonder how much it hold up for repairs in the long haul. I can't imagine a twin turbo being as worry free with 100,000+ miles like V8. I certainly would get nervous when my warranty ran out that's for sure.
I second this, but it is one of those things where time will tell. Turbo's have been around for a long time, even in gas engines. It all comes down to:

1. If Ford beefed up the internal components to handle the added stress/pressure that a turbo adds.

2. If the owner properly maintains the engine. This becomes more critical as you are adding a lot more heat/stress to components compared to a NA engine.
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My 4wd Super Crew(4 door) 3.55 Ecoboost got 18.5 combined city/highway when it had stock tires and now it gets 16 combined with 33"(+1 inch over stock) Wrangler Duratracs and a 2.5" level and a 3" block in the rear. My 09 Ram Hemi CCab 4wd got 16 combined stock and 13-14 with a level and 33" BFGs. My Ecoboost tows better, but the Hemi sounded better. The Ecoboost has a TON of pulling power before 3,000 rpm and my old Hemi needed more rpms with a gear or two down in the transmission to do the same job pulling a load. Both still got the job done, just in different ways. The major difference was not WOT between my old Hemi and Ecoboost, but the pulling power below 3,000 rpms with normal driving or towing. The pulling power I felt in my Ram in 4th gear at 2,500 rpms is the same pulling power I feel with my Ecoboost at 1,700 rpms in 6th gear. They both have their plus and minuses. I am not a brand loyal fan boy because it's not like they are loyal to me and would return the favor. I am who ever gives me the best product for my needs at the time of purchase loyal. My needs do not fit everyone else's and where one cares about things like exhaust noise or looks as a major factor, I don't. The major thing I hated about my 09' was the car coils when towing. Unloaded it was great but I had more than enough uneasy times loaded. That and a few hiccups with my transmission that my local dealer could not seem to fix was what also did me in on trading it in along with the towing test drive I did in a friends Ford Ecoboost. Not all will agree with me but then again it's no skin off my nuts since it is I who makes the payment on my truck.

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Better make sure it is not a tuned one. Those little 3.5 TTs are quick with just a $400 tune. Here is what the are posting in the Ford forums and they have the slips and vids to back them up.

12.72 @ 109.01, TurboPete, Screw, 2WD, 3.55, Offroad Y-pipe, 4" Exhaust, AFE Stage II, Nitrous Proflow Kit (~65 shot), SCT Custom Tuning.
12.874 @ 103.44, Rick@Livernois, Screw, 4WD, 3.55, Livernois offroad downpipe, Livernois 93 Tune, 170 deg Tstat
13.268 @ 101.38, Slow, 2012 Screw, 2wd, 3.55, track test tune by Tuners Inc, AFE Stg2 intake, MAK Y-pipe w/ stock exhaust, windshield washer fluid injection
13.308 @ 100.41, prime8, 2011 Scab, 4wd, 3.55, Solo MR400 exhaust, Livernois 93 tune, airraid oilless CAI
13.39 @ 100.05, Rick@Livernois, Screw, 4WD, 3.55, Livernois 93 Tune, 170 deg Tstat
13.46 @ 98.84, Rick@Livernois, Screw, 4WD, 3.55, Livernois 93 Tune, 376 rwhp
13.47 @ 101.6, Slow, 2012 Screw, 2wd, 3.55, Unleashed 87 tune, AFE stg 2 CAI, MAK Y pipe, stock exhaust
13.57 @ 100.14, likemyeco, 2012 Screw, 4WD, 3.55, Livernois 93 tune, off road pipe
13.60 @ 98.21, BlueBoostedSCrew, 4WD SuperCrew, 3.55, Livernois 93v2 Tune/AirRaid CAI, 365 rwhp
13.648 @ 96.82, vteckiller2000, Screw, 4WD, 3.73, SCT 93 tune
13.66 @ 98.7, Slow, 2012 Screw, 2wd, 3.55, Unleashed 87 tune, AFE stg 2 CAI, 365 rwhp on 93 tune.
13.669 @ 97.96, taz1, 2011 Scab, 4wd, ? 93 tune
13.679 @ 99*,joewee3.5, 2011 screw 4wd, Livernois catless downpipes, livernois 93v2, aFe Stg 1, 4" custom exhaust
13.686 @ 97.91, focus289, 2012 Screw, 4wd, 3.73, Livernois 93v2 tune
13.69 @ 101.4, supereco, 2011 Scab, 2wd, 3.73, heartthrob 4 inch, Livernois 93v2 tune, airraid CAI
13.72 @ 97.51, No1ford, 2011 Scab, 4wd, 3.55, Edge 91 tune, Airaid intake
13.72 @ 96.65, rancheroracer, 2012 Scab, long bed, 4wd, 3.55, 5 Star 93 tune, into a stiff headwind
13.731 @ 97, CoreyMS, Screw, 4WD, 3.73, MAK Offroad Y-pipe, 3" Exhaust, AFE Stage II, Unleashed 93
13.75 @ 95.87, Only306, 2011 Screw LB, 4wd, 3.55, MPT 93 tune
13.75 @ 96.84, djt81185, 2012 Scab, 4wd, 3.73, sct 93 tune, DA 1840'
13.804 @ 96.71, Geno51, 2012 Screw, 4wd, 3.73, SCT 93 tune
13.808 @ 96.316, rancheroracer, 2012 Scab long bed, 4wd, 3.55, 5 Star 93 tune
13.83 @ 97.13, Only306, 2011 Screw LB, 4wd, 3.55, SCT 93 tune
13.83 @ 95.70, 05mustang_tt_charged, Screw, 4wd, 4.10 gears, Livernois 93 Performance V2 Tune
13.85 @ 96.56, SICKQK, 2011 Screw, 3.73, SCT 93 tune
13.88 @ 98.6, supereco, 2011 Scab, 2wd, 3.73, heartthrob 4 inch, Livernois 91 tune, or was it Superchips?, airraid CAI
13.918 @ 99.22, ssrbolt, Screw, 2wd, 3.15, SCT 91 Tune/AirRaid CAI, Magnaflow Cat-back
13.947 @ 95.48, CoreyMS, 2011 Screw, 4wd, Unleashed 93 tune.
13.98 @ 96.44, Eboostfx4, Screw, 4wd, Livernois 91 tune
13.99 @ 97.14, oxwhite11, 2011 Screw, 4wd, 3.73, Hearthrob 4" exhaust, Livernois 93 tune, Airraid CAI
13.991 @ 96.97, dodgehemi0, Screw, 4wd, 3.73, Livernois 93v2 tune
14.040 @ 96.98, twbrown44, 2011 SCAB, 2wd, 3.55, Airraid filter, Aeroturbine muffler
14.02 @ 95.08, Limitless2011, 2012 Screw, 3.73, Roush exhaust, SCT 93 tune, Injen CAI, TB spacer
14.04 @ 96.12, 2011boost, 2011 Screw, 4wd, 3.55, SCT 93 tune
14.093 @99.60, Plumbnman, 2011 SCREW, 2wd 3.55, Solo 4" exhaust, AFE Stage 2 intake, Livernois 93 V2 tune
14.11 @ 97.86, Turbopete, 2012 Screw, 2wd, 3:55, MAK Offroad Y-pipe, MAK 4" MagnaFlow Exhaust, Superchips tune, 366 rwhp
14.125 @ 95.0, chalybs, 2011 Screw, 4wd, Unleashed 93 tune
14.18 @ 95, No1ford, 2011 Scab, 4wd, 3.55, Airraid CAI
14.20 @ 97, rickof08, 2012, Screw, 2wd, 3.55 gears, mpt 93 performance tune
14.2 @ 97, heyman, 2011 Screw, 4wd, 3.73, Livernois 93 tune
14.211 @ 97.80, glsryan, 2011 Screw, 2wd, 3.15, Hearthrob 4" exhaust
14.22 @ 95, ninjatalon, 2011 Screw, 4wd, 3.73, SCT 93 tune
14.23 @ 96.48, focus289, 2012 Screw, 4wd, 3.73, 5 Star 93 tune
14.23 @ 94.71, F150man3.5, 2011 Screw, 4wd, 3.73, Magnaflow muffler/3" resonater delete
14.24 @ 95.47, BDFX4, 2012 Scab, 4wd, 3.73, SCT 93 tune
14.32 @ 94.14, SICKQK, 2011 Screw, 3.73, stock *quickest stock*
14.35 @ 95.8, ultradriver10000, 2012, SCT 93 tune, DA ~2700'
14.37 @ 94.76, Geno51, 2012 Screw, 4wd, 3.73, stock
14.386 @94.98, Plumbnman, 2011 SCREW, 2wd 3.55, Solo 4" exhaust, AFE Stage 2 intake, stock tune
14.40 @ 94.41, No1ford, 2011 Scab, 4wd, Stock
14.424 @ 94.59, taz1, 2011 Scab, 4wd, stock


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^good post. Yeah the ecoboost engine is very impressive, and has more torque than the hemi at ANY rpm. That's pretty impressive. From what I've seen they are basically equally as fast as the hemi, if not faster. The only downside I see to them would be lower than advertised mpg(not any better than a v8) and more complex.

I get 16/17 city and 20+(easy) on the highway. I do have the 4.7 so not near the torque of the hemi or ecoboost, but with a few mods my quad cab with big heavy AT tires moves pretty good and I get great mpg for a full size truck. Everyone reporting mpg for the ecoboost gets significantly less than advertised.
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^good post. Yeah the ecoboost engine is very impressive, and has more torque than the hemi at ANY rpm. That's pretty impressive. From what I've seen they are basically equally as fast as the hemi, if not faster. The only downside I see to them would be lower than advertised mpg(not any better than a v8) and more complex.

I get 16/17 city and 20+(easy) on the highway. I do have the 4.7 so not near the torque of the hemi or ecoboost, but with a few mods my quad cab with big heavy AT tires moves pretty good and I get great mpg for a full size truck. Everyone reporting mpg for the ecoboost gets significantly less than advertised.
Most turbo vehicles are that way with being further off from EPA estimates than N/A engines. The way the EPA's tests are performed to get the mileage estimates does not do good to correctly test turbo engines. They are made more for the steady psi state of a naturally aspirated engine than the ever changing effective displacement of a forced induction engine.

A slight compression of the throttle on a N/A engine at low a rpms will not do a lot or use much fuel because you are not moving that much more air through the cylinders. Therefore a slight compression on the N/A engines throttle does not mean much at low rpm(or diving rpm) and you have to give it more throttle to get it to the higher rpms to have a more profound effect.

A slight compression of the throttle on a turbo engine at low rpms can put you into the boost as much as 10 psi depending on the situation which is essentially air being crammed into the cylinders raising it's effective displacement. As everyone knows more air equals more fuel, intern giving you more power. At just 10 psi, the 3.5L Ecoboost has the effective displacement of a 5.9 liter engine. Therefore a slight compression of a turbocharged engines throttle makes a big difference in air/fuel being pumped in and power output at low rpms. At full boost, the Ecooboost is cramming enough air into it's 3.5 liters to give it an effective displacement of a 6.6 liter engine.

Basicaly, a lot more variables or slight changes will effect the mpgs of a turbocharged engine then that of a N/A engine. Another problem with most Ecoboost owners is that they like the 6.6 liter side rather than the 3.5L side of their engine.

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...... Another problem with most Ecoboost owners is that they like the 6.6 liter side rather than the 3.5L side of their engine.
I can relate. I much prefer the 5.7L side of mine. The 2.85L part is not my taste at all.
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