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I'm thinking of trading my 2014 Sport CC to a 2500 CC. Has anyone else gone from the 1500 to a 2500? Do you wish you stayed with a 1500 or are you glad you went to a 2500? And finally, are there mileage gains with the diesel, or is it about the same?
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I went from a 2012 1500 to a 2012 3500 and don't regret it one bit. Now part of that is that my 1500 was an SXT and my 3500 is a Laramie Limited, so obviously 2 sides of the spectrum there. But even with that aside the Cummins is still WAY nicer to have.

Power wise obviously the Cummins blows away the 4.7 that was in my 1500. There's no comparison there. Plus the performance mods you can do on a 10-12 Cummins are much more rewarding than anything you'll do on a 1500.

Ride wise it's obviously a little stiffer, that's to be expected. I don't find it bad at all though. The front end is still very nice, it's the back that can be a little rough when unloaded.

Then there's the fact that a 2500/3500 is a much beefier, mean looking truck than a 1500 (at least they are IMO). Especially when you start lifting them and putting bigger tires on.

Mileage wise it depends on what year of truck you want to buy and what you want to do with it. If you buy a stock 10-12 and don't delete it, no mileage will definitely not be better. If you delete it then you'll be pretty close to what the hemi does (depending on your driving style and what you've done to the truck). If you buy a 13+ then you'll definitely get better mileage than the hemi. But again, it all depends on what you plan on doing with it. I had 7.5" of lift and 35's on my 1500 with a Bully Dog tuner and I was getting about 15-15.5 mpg. With my Cummins I have an 8" lift and 37's and I'm getting about 15.5-16 mpg with the same driving. However it's also making double the horsepower and about quadruple the torque.
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Thanks for the info Brandon. I've seen both of your trucks on the threads here, and you've done well on both of them.

I have a 2014 Hemi, and I've got a CAI, MBRP exhaust, 87mm TB, and Trinity T-1000; with a modified 4" lift (to 6" up front) and 35's, and on long trips, I'm still lucky to see 15.5 mpg. Unfortunately, this truck only has 3.21s, and I don't know if I really want to dump a couple grand into changing out the front carrier to get 4.10/4.56 gears.

Even if I was to lift the 2500, I think I'd only go 6" max, but I like the power output it has (not to mention a full bed vs the shorty on the CC). I'm trying to keep it to a 2012 or so, because I don't want payments more than what I have for my 1500, but the one I'm looking at is still a fully loaded Laramie with only 23k miles (37k km).

And I agree with you about the 2500's just looking meaner. Add a lift on them, and they just look like monsters.
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Thanks man!

Ya the 3.21 gears are definitely a killer. I have 3.73's in my Cummins which is decent (a lot better than 3.42's) and it still handles the 37's no problem because of the torque. But it's something I've thought about changing as well. Not as much to do it on a 3500 as it is on a 1500, but still not cheap. If you plan on keeping the truck for a very long time it's probably worth the investment. If not, then I wouldn't bother swapping the gears.

A 6" lift on a 2500 is still huge. They sit about 3-4" higher than a 1500 stock to begin with. My 1500 with the 7.5" of lift and 35's was 44.5" to the top of the front fender. My 3500 with the 8" lift and 37's is 49" to the top of the front fender. That 4.5" difference doesn't seem like much but it's huge when you're standing next to it.

I would say go in and talk to them about the truck but don't let them know you have a trade in if you can. Talk to them about the truck and find out what kind of deal they're willing to make on it. Then once you have that number talk to them about your trade in and see what they offer. Obviously you have an idea of what you want for it and let them know that. I walked away from the dealership twice (once with negotiating my trade in value, and once when negotiating the actual financed costs) when buying my 3500. Both times I had a call back from them within an hour with a better deal. I also spent time analyzing the numbers and made an excel spreadsheet calculating all the costs and interest to see what made the most sense. If you spend some time doing your homework, analyzing what you can, and being a bit of a hardass with the dealer you should come out with a pretty good deal.
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Lol, too late to hide the trade in. They already know about that. But, I also told them that even though I'm interested, I'm hesitant because my truck is brand new, with very low miles, and a lot of stuff already added on. I can't really go to the dealership, because I'm working in China for the next month or two.

Honestly, I pay more for this truck then I did with my 06 Hemi, and I don't want to add another $150 on top of that for a used truck, even though it is a Cummins. I'm looking at newish, lower mileage, CTDs because this truck will be a keeper. I want one that has the ability to last hundreds of thousands of miles. I just don't see these newer gas engine trucks doing that, and then they lose a lot of value after only a few thousand miles. And then when you customize it and make it yours, you end up spending thousands, if not tens, and then you get almost no return in it with a trade-in, while they go right back and charge the next buyer extra for all the goodies. That's the part of buying/selling new cars that I don't really like. I may just have to sell the truck outright when I get home, and then I can go in and get a used CTD with the extra I make off of it (I'm already ahead of the curve because my truck is worth a few thousand more than I owe).

If you don't mind my asking, how much more is maintenance on your 3500 than your 1500?
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Ya fair enough, it is hard to hide. The dealership knew what had all been done to my 1500 before we discussed trade in value too.

All very good points. If when you get back I'd look into it all more and see what makes the most sense for you and go from there.

So far it's been very minimal (but I only have 22,000 km (13,750 miles) on it so far)... Sure oil changes are 60% more money but that's to be expected when you're taking twice the amount of oil. Next service I'll be doing the fuel filter as well but I'll just pick one up myself (they're around $50 online) and change it. Then it will just be a regular oil change again. So nothing crazy... I don't get why people make such a big deal over a diesel requiring so much more maintenance.
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I've just always heard that diesels cost more in maintenance, and I haven't really talked with any diesel owners about it. I'm more curious about it, and although it may be a downfall, like you said, there's more that's required to keep it running. I just look at it as a cost required to keep a vehicle that has the potential of lasting forever running properly.
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I really can't add anything to what Brandon has already stated other than I love my '12 2500 CTD. I traded my '09 1500 for it last July. It is still pretty much stock except upgrading some speakers and deleting & tuning but it is a real beast.

The '10-'12 pre-delete MPGs are pretty dismal but if you plan to delete and tune then they are the best option. Deletes add 3-5 MPG depending on your driving style and really wake up the truck.

Diesel vs premium gas is a break even around here and a deleted truck can go 8-10k miles between oil changes which helps offset the cost of the changes.

Fuel filters are about $45-$50 online but you will likely only need 2-3 per year so it is really not that bad either.

The only real caution I have read is you need to let it warm up before you start stomping on the skinny pedal. Other than that these trucks just beg to be driven.

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I have a 2003 F150 CC 4x4 and a 2004 Ram 2500 CC with CTD. The reason we purchased the F150 was for towing a boat however we went bigger on the boat and the F150 struggled. The 2500 is my FIL truck that we have baby sat for 3 years now. I don't even know my 26' boat is behind me with the CTD. Gas mileage is a lot better as well.

I changed the oil in the diesel over the weekend and it was 12 qts vs 6 in the F150.
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To chime in on an old thread...I just traded my 14 QC 1500 Sport for a 14 2500 CC Laramie because I missed the 2500/Cummins so much (had a 13 MC 2500 last year but had to get rid of it, long story). Just no comparison between the 2 IMO!
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