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i have a 2011 Ram 1500 regular cab 4X4. Anyone have pics of this truck w/ a 4 or 6 inch lift? I've seen quad and crew pics but am looking for regular cab pics. Also trying to get an idea on which size wheels to get. Thanks
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I can help you out

Although I lowered my RCSB 4x4 (Ground Force 2/3 drop)
I did snap some shots at the dealers lot where they had my Ram's twin lifted (Mopar 4") on 35's























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awesome pics!! thanks for reply
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Wow they let you do a whole photo shoot with that truck nice!
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LOL!

I test drove it too

Hated the ride, the handling, the loss of power.
I bet the fuel economy would suck too, Seriously needs a re-gear to 4.56's with 35" rubber.
I could drive circles around it with mine. Literally!

You can see further down the road though
and it does look pretty good for a 4" lift
shame they didn't make a better tire/wheel choice

If I ever get tired of rippin' up the drag strip with my 4x4 and get the urge to build a tall trail rig again,
I'll trade my Drag Radials for some Toyo M/T's and swap them onto my Moto Metal 951 drag rims



these would look So much better on that truck



My last Trail Rig was pretty bad @ss :
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4.56 gears would make the gas mileage even worse. i know at least one guy with a power wagon and 4.56 with a lift and he gets like 10 mpg tops with his. any idea what was in that truck for gears? 4.10 would probably do the job.
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4.56 gears would make the gas mileage even worse. i know at least one guy with a power wagon and 4.56 with a lift and he gets like 10 mpg tops with his. any idea what was in that truck for gears? 4.10 would probably do the job.

LOL! a Power Wagon is a TANK!, about 1000lbs more than my Ram

Going from a 3.92 to a 4.56 ratio and from a 33" to a 35" will be about 200 rpm's more at 65 mph.

The final drive ratio in overdrive in the 545RFE is only 0.67:1
That's good enough to keep RPMs around 2K with 35's at 65MPH

Lifts and Larger Heavier M/T tires eat away at fuel economy, not lower (higher numerically) gears.
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IMHO 3.92/4.10 gears work just "okay" for stock 33's on a 4800lb RCSB 2WD R/T
...but I think a 5700lb Quad Cab 4x4 needs 4.56's especially for 35" tires, and even more so if it ever has to haul or tow anything.


The Ram 5 speed auto 545RFE ratio's

1st 3.00:1
2nd 1.67:1
2nd Prime 1.50:1
3rd 1.00:1
4th 0.75:1
5th 0.67:1

We have TWO overdrive gears, but you wont use them properly if you dont re-gear your axles to return the truck to its optimum rpm range.

The 0.67:1 overdrive is more than enough to bring the rev's with 35's/4.56's down to almost the same a Ram with 3.92/4.10's and 33's

33/35= .9428 X 4.56 =4.30:1 net effective gear ratio

If you think that's too high, then consider the added weight of an M/T tire is substantially more than a Goodyear HP.
The increase in rotational mass plays a factor too, as does the added drag of the tread design.

FYI, a 37" Nitto Trail Grappler weighs the same (without Wheel!) as the stock Goodyear 275/60R20 does mounted on a stock 20" wheel.
...not to mention the increased negative effects on aerodynamics after lifting a Truck 4"-6".

Check out this chart for ideal RPM's based on 65 mph with a 1:1 gear ratio:

http://www.4wheelparts.com/aux_incl/gear_ratio.html

Now consider that the Final Drive in 4th is 0.75:1
Rev's with 4.56's and 35" tires at 65 mph = 2134, in 5th = 1906

Here's an online calculator
the one nearest the bottom allows you to input the final drive ratio

http://www.csgnetwork.com/multirpmcalc.html

I've been lifting trucks, swapping tires and gears since the early 80's , Re- Gearing doesn't kill fuel economy, Lifting and Putting Larger Mud Tires does...I've done it all a dozen times over.

My RCSB 4x4 is lowered and running 305/50R20 Grapples...about 32"x12" and I'm swapping my 3.55's for 4.56's.

I have a dedicated set of smaller 27" Drag Radials that give me an effective ratio of 4.30:1, the EVIC still reads 20 mpg at 65MPH/2000rpm
(Tire Size corrected with Diablo, speedo verified by hand held GPS)

My best economy with 3.55's pushing my heavy Grapplers is around 22 mpg on flat level ground
but if I get into some hills the engine lugs and has to constantly gear down and drop out of MDS....so MPG can actually be worse long range.

Going from 3.55's to 4.56's only changes the rpm's by about 400 with the same tire,
Going from a 3.92 to a 4.56 ratio and from a 33" to a 35" will be about 200 rpm's more at 65 mph
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agreed, and i know that the power wagon is a heavier vehicle but 4.56 gears just don't seem to be a streetable gear. nice jeep by the way.
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This seems to be a huge mis-conception on this forum
It's the BEST possible gear and very street able for 35" tires

You have to experience it to realize the RPM range changes favorably
especially with our overdrive Transmission, making it an excellent choice, City or Highway!

Dont Fear the Gear!
its all about the optimum RPM range and staying in the powerband. With a 0.67 final drive
swapping 3.55's to 4.56's can only make a 200 rpm difference at 65 MPH when going from 33" - 35" tires

How is that less streetable?

If you dont run a 4.56 gear with 35's+
this is how you negatively effect an already weak tranny:

Stock 545RFE Gearing ...Basically 3 drive gears, 2 overdrives
(2nd Prime is your kick down passing gear at 1.50:1)

1st 3.00:1
2nd 1.67:1
3rd 1.00:1
4th 0.75:1
5th 0.67:1

when you add a tire +/- 10% larger without re-gearing
you end up with this mess...

1st 2.70:1
2nd 1.50:1
3rd 0.90:1
4th 0.67:1
5th 0.60:1

2 Drive gears with 3 overdrives
although You pretty much lose 5th gear, unless you're going down hill or have a tailwind pushing your lifted rig with heavy 35" M/Ts
You also have an under geared 1st, and a 2nd gear that gets the bulk of the work ...why?
Because 3rd, 4th and 5th are all overdrive gears now (read less than a 1:1 ratio)

Tundra's are available stock with a 6 speed trans, and 4.30:1 axle ratio's

IMHO, Dodge shouldnt be using anything less than 4.10's for Rams with heavy 20" wheels.

In 2012 the Ram's are getting a new 65RFE 6 Speed Auto,
and a new 3.99:1 axle ratio to replace the 3.55/3.92/4.10

Source: http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php...sions-for-2012

The 68RFE gear ratios are:

1st 3.23:1
2nd 1.83:1
3rd 1.41:1
4th 1.00:1
5th 0.81:1
6th 0.62:1

I guess the 8 speed has been back burner'd but this is still better than the tired old 5pd auto that's a decade + old now
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