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Every thread we post in together lately you seem to put me down or tell me I don't understand something....I don't appreciate your attitude. I'm just looking for some input from you and others, don't know why you have to give me so much attitude? When I ask you questions you answer something I didn't ask...? I asked you if you've tried it both ways (1-2-3 vs 1-2-2p-3) and which is faster if you have, and you responded telling me I don't understand how the transmission works...?


No "attitude" intended , LOL Sorry

...just as you probably dont intend to constantly challenge me until I reach the point of posting field tested data and results in order to back up my claims.

It seems I have to prove everything you bring into question before you accept it.



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2wd is faster but only by a hair, and only if track prep with traction promoter is perfect and track temps are not too cold.

THE ONLY way around Factory Torque Management programmed into a TCM to protect your transmission, is with an aftermarket Torque Converter with a higher stall. Trust me!
So you're saying that when the ram R/T went 13.77 in 0 DA if a 4x4 was next to it it should've gone between 13.8 and 14.0?

And you can adjust torque management with a tuner from diablo sport
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...just as you probably dont intend to constantly challenge me until I reach the point of posting field tested data and results in order to back up my claims.

It seems I have to prove everything you bring into question before you accept it.
I wasn't challenging you...I even said I wasn't trying to be a jerk or anything as I had a good feeling that you'd "retaliate".....I'm just asking to try to clarify something...that's why I asked.

Anyway have you tried the shifting both ways?
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I wasn't challenging you...I even said I wasn't trying to be a jerk or anything as I had a good feeling that you'd "retaliate".....I'm just asking to try to clarify something...that's why I asked.

Anyway have you tried the shifting both ways?

Absolutely! and as I said, delaying going into 3rd (and 4th)
by using 2nd prime holds the engine in its powerband longer,
and Yes is subequentlty FASTER. sorry thought that was obvious without me putting it in simpler terms.

Watch my Tach needle make the short shift into 2nd prime,
the "shift recovery" from a much higher RPM is always better.

That's why my current Diablo Tune shifts at 6400 RPM 1-2 now
...shifting at 600-800 rpm over stock is what made my 14 sec truck a 13 second truck.
Long before I even made my recent mods.
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Ok thanks for the input. I haven't had the opportunity to try it both ways as I don't even get out of 2nd as it is right now. I need to get smaller tires...
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So you're saying that when the ram R/T went 13.77 in 0 DA if a 4x4 was next to it it should've gone between 13.8 and 14.0?

And you can adjust torque management with a tuner from diablo sport
Please clarify, I dont recall saying anything about an R/T in this post

Are you refering to a stock R/T with 4.10's and a 2600 stall TC
vs
a stock 4x4 RCSB with a 2300 stall and 3.55 gears ? that weighs 300 pounds more?
No, the difference would be a full second in favor of the R/T

But "If" the RCSB 4x4 had the same 2600 TC and 4.10 gears, and both ran in 2wd
then yes, the difference would be about 3-4 tenths
for every 100 pounds the 4x4 would add a tenth of a second to its ET.
Maybe slightly more due to more drivetrain loss (transfer case, extra driveshaft, two extra front CV shafts...etc.)

However if the track conditions were less than perfect, a 4x4 using awd setting may get a better launch.

I have a friend with an 09 R/T and we ran side by side last fall with the same intake/exhaust and tune
and it was very close when I had my DR's on to make up for the added weight of my 4x4 and shitty 3.55 gears

I've got pic's and time slips posted here already somewhere

My modded 4x4 was a 13.4 Truck converted to 0 DA, 6 months ago
With just a Diablo 93 canned tune, Airaid intake, Magnaflow CatBack and DR's (that was based on a 13.8 run last May at 2500' DA)

Probably a lot quicker now with the new 3000 stall TC , Fastman 85mm TB, Y-Pipe, Volant intake with modified Ram Air, Sonnax

Will find out for sure in a couple weeks

I Have a Diablo Trinity
TM reductions are written into the canned tunes and no,
they are not a seperate adjustment like the Superchips Flashpaq/Cortex
(Yes I've had one of those too)

You can not adjust TM at the user level, only a CMR custom tune can do that.
My CMR Dyno tuner who I bought my Diablo from will be doing my Cam/Tune and maybe even Heads in the Spring
as soon as I get my ARH LT Headers in.



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Found it, My Black 4x4 vs Adam's White R/T

Both Trucks at the time (last October)
had identical Airaid intakes, Bullydog GT 91+ Tune with same shift points and settings,
He had Flowmaster exhaust, Magnaflow for me. No other mods
stock 2300 stall for me vs his 2600,
my stock 3.55 gears open diff vs his 4.10's with LSD

Only major difference...I'm on DR's, Adam on stock 20's and GY tires

BTW, DA was freaky high for October, at 3500' hot mid day runs



He didnt beat me on ET until he swapped on catsltd's DR's (same as mine)
...and I still won the race by 0.0327 because I beat him at the tree by 3 tenths.











Both were running identical 295/45R17 Mickey Thompson Street ET's on 17" aluminum wheels on that last slip
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Please clarify, I dont recall saying anything about an R/T in this post

Are you refering to a stock R/T with 4.10's and a 2600 stall TC
vs
a stock 4x4 RCSB with a 2300 stall and 3.55 gears ? that weighs 300 pounds more?
No, the difference would be a full second in favor of the R/T

But "If" the RCSB 4x4 had the same 2600 TC and 4.10 gears, and both ran in 2wd
then yes, the difference would be about 3-4 tenths
for every 100 pounds the 4x4 would add a tenth of a second to its ET.
Maybe slightly more due to more drivetrain loss (transfer case, extra driveshaft, two extra front CV shafts...etc.)

However if the track conditions were less than perfect, a 4x4 using awd setting may get a better launch.

I have a friend with an 09 R/T and we ran side by side last fall with the same intake/exhaust and tune
and it was very close when I had my DR's on to make up for the added weight of my 4x4 and shitty 3.55 gears

I've got pic's and time slips posted here already somewhere

My modded 4x4 was a 13.4 Truck converted to 0 DA, 6 months ago
With just a Diablo 93 canned tune, Airaid intake, Magnaflow CatBack and DR's (that was based on a 13.8 run last May at 2500' DA)

Probably a lot quicker now with the new 3000 stall TC , Fastman 85mm TB, Y-Pipe, Volant intake with modified Ram Air, Sonnax

Will find out for sure in a couple weeks

I Have a Diablo Trinity
TM reductions are written into the canned tunes and no,
they are not a seperate adjustment like the Superchips Flashpaq/Cortex
(Yes I've had one of those too)

You can not adjust TM at the user level, only a CMR custom tune can do that.
My CMR Dyno tuner who I bought my Diablo from will be doing my Cam/Tune and maybe even Heads in the Spring
as soon as I get my ARH LT Headers in.



You said a 2wd is only a hair faster than a 4wd. So if there was a 4x4 rcsb next to the R/T when it ran a 13.77 stock then a stock 4x4 rcsb should run a 13.8-14.0 if it was in the other lane of the R/T. And I know the TM has to be written into the tune but you said the only way is to get it done is with a custom TC. But you can do it with a tune so a custom TC isn't the only way. And btw I know this stuff you're saying, a lot of guys on nadodge have none to very little TM because they have it written into their diablo tune and many of the tunes they got from diablo came with 0% TM even without a custom TC. And did you really show me a tuner 0-60 time? Those things can be so inaccurate it's not even funny
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He didnt beat me on ET until he swapped on catsltd's DR's (same as mine)
...and I still won the race by 0.0327 because I beat him at the tree by 3 tenths.
You beat him to the line. You weren't the quicker truck though
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You said a 2wd is only a hair faster than a 4wd. So if there was a 4x4 rcsb next to the R/T when it ran a 13.77 stock then a stock 4x4 rcsb should run a 13.8-14.0 if it was in the other lane of the R/T. And I know the TM has to be written into the tune but you said the only way is to get it done is with a custom TC. But you can do it with a tune so a custom TC isn't the only way. And btw I know this stuff you're saying, a lot of guys on nadodge have none to very little TM because they have it written into their diablo tune and many of the tunes they got from diablo came with 0% TM even without a custom TC. And did you really show me a tuner 0-60 time? Those things can be so inaccurate it's not even funny
Read it again, I Said MY truck is a hair faster when I run it in 2WD compared to running MY truck in AWD...I said Nothing about an R/T

How Fast do you think a truck that pulls a 1.8xx 60 Foot (measured at an Actual Track) will go 0-60?
Look it up , its about 4.6 seconds, so you're right its not acurate lol! How fast is your R/T? got any 13 second slips yet?
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