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Old 07-15-2019, 09:59 PM
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I have a 2016 6.4 Hemi w/4:10 gears 4x4 6 sp crew cab 6 ft bed and really like the truck pulls everything I own which is a 14 ft stock trailer, 24 ft TTrailer and a 18 ft car trailer. I get fair gas milage usually combined driving is around 16 mpg and towing is around 10 to 12 depending how mainy hills I climbing and if I keep it under 65 mph when pulling. When empty I usually run at 65 or 70 mph. If your buying a new 2500 get the 6.4 with the 8 speed and you will be really happy. I wish I had the 8 speed in mine. good luck on your search.
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Old 07-16-2019, 04:58 AM
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IIRC 2017 was the last year it was an option, now the 6.4 is the only gas option for the HDs, but OP said he was looking at used. From 2004-2013 the 5.7 was the only gas engine option for the HD trucks

Thanks. So basically there is no Dodge Ram that does not come with the MDS unless you get a diesel.
Diesels don't have mds afaik. They are considering it for the next year model I have read somewhere
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If you know anyone with a diesel just borrow the rig and hook up your boat once. I think you will be amazed. There isn't that much maintenance in them vs gas. Don't know anyone? Ask around for fam or friends. Offer them lunch to have you pull your boat around for a bit. Honest, it's like night and day the power. That truck won't even know your little boat is there. And they get better mpg than you think. Trucks like this are ones you keep for a long time.
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Sounds like you have the same truck I do. Express w/Hemi, Trailer/Tow Package, 3.55 gears, 65RFE, Airbag 1000s, and a Curt hitch.

Were you at high altitude? How heavy was your boat+trailer?

Because what you described is certainly not what I've experienced towing vehicles with the rental 2,200 lbs. Uhaul car trailer. I've towed a '99 Escort and a full size single cab truck both over the Ozark mountains from Missouri and NW Arkansas back to D/FW. Granted the truck doesn't run like it's unloaded and you know something is back there, but it did not struggle to accelerate or giving me any white knuckle experiences while towing. I never once had to floor the truck to get moving. I assume you always were in tow in tow/haul mode, which disables MDS and adjusts the shift timings to be more optimized for towing. My truck ran great on both vehicle tow trips and I always like how nice the ride quality is while towing. So smooth due to the load on the tongue. All my fuel stops were 93 supreme, usually from Valero or Love's. Probably had about 100 pounds of miscellaneous tools in the bed. Stop light to stop light acceleration going through those small towns along 69, was smooth and responsive.

Sounds to me you were pulling a very heavy boat+trailer package and maybe altitude was an issue. The only time I would imagine having to floor the truck with a reasonable load, is in a situation like going up the gauntlet in Colorado.

If you do more daily driving vs. regular towing, you will regret getting a 2500. The unloaded ride quality in those 3/4 Rams is awful. At least IMO. The 6.4 has lots of torque in the right places, but drinks fuel like it's going out of style.

You may be a good candidate for a gear swap. However, it is very expensive when you find out exactly what the total costs are when swapping from the 3.55s for the 3.92s Having it done right, using Mopar parts and gear oil.
12+ are welded, he would need new front ( if 4x4 ) and rear differentials
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Old 07-16-2019, 05:44 AM
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I towed 6,00 lbs from Erie to the Detroit Dream Cruise. Flat so not a perfect reference.
First off, I am not sure if you noticed the very small difference between 3rd and 4th gear.(I have a 2009 Laramie). If you watch the tach, it is only 200 rpm difference or so. Tow/haul mode helps with this lack of power, but shifting manually is the best bet.Keep in mind, my transmission learned my driving habits and is in 4th gear at 20 mph. No power and bad for the torque converter when towing.These transmissions never use 3rd gear in normal driving mode. Goes right from 2nd to 4th.
So I suggest trying one more time shifting manually before abandoning the 1500. Like another fella said, 390 hp should do the trick. And if you have the option to check your transmission temperature, the fluid needs changed after multiple tows and the temperature transmission gets above 180 degrees, multiple times. (Unless you have over 150,000 miles).
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To answer a few questions. Yes I was using tow/haul mode the whole time. It was never a matter of white knuckle or feeling unsafe I was just really disappointed with the how wimpy it was on take off. My boat I figured was weighing in at 6k lbs with the trailer so it shouldn’t be an issue. Especially because I know the Hemi has plenty of power. I figured the tranny and the way it’s programmed is the issue. My main thing is wanting the 6’4” bed, so my thought was if I’m going to make the switch I may as well go to the 2500 since my truck only gets 5-6k miles a year put on it. But after a lot of consideration I think sticking with a 1500 is the way to go long term. I just need to find the right one.
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To answer a few questions. Yes I was using tow/haul mode the whole time. It was never a matter of white knuckle or feeling unsafe I was just really disappointed with the how wimpy it was on take off. My boat I figured was weighing in at 6k lbs with the trailer so it shouldn’t be an issue. Especially because I know the Hemi has plenty of power. I figured the tranny and the way it’s programmed is the issue. My main thing is wanting the 6’4” bed, so my thought was if I’m going to make the switch I may as well go to the 2500 since my truck only gets 5-6k miles a year put on it. But after a lot of consideration I think sticking with a 1500 is the way to go long term. I just need to find the right one.


between $25K and $30K is plenty of fish in the pond! Search Criteria:
RAM 1500 Crew Cab, Long Bed, V8, $10K - $35K, max 55K miles. You get even good 4wd's in this range. Again- the question is, how much you want to spend. I think, if you want to keep it longer, up to $30K should be OK.


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I have a '17 2500HD with the 6.4L Hemi and couldn't be happier. 3:73 gears..........
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I have an '18 2500HD standard cab with 6.4 & 6 speed. Also 3:73 gears. I'm very happy with the truck but the open diff in the rear needs to become some form of posi-traction. I don't want anything with clutch packs, air lines or electrical. Any recommendations are welcome.
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I have an '18 2500HD standard cab with 6.4 & 6 speed. Also 3:73 gears. I'm very happy with the truck but the open diff in the rear needs to become some form of posi-traction. I don't want anything with clutch packs, air lines or electrical. Any recommendations are welcome.
I'm not sure if you've ever watched the show Dirt Everyday but those guys are diehard off road enthusiasts. More often than not they recommend the Detroit TrueTrac which is a helical limited slip. They're maintenance free and have no air lines or wires. I'd seriously look into them. I have the factory limited slip in my 2500 and it performs very well also.
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The factory LSDs in the HD Rams are helical gear type. 1500s have clutch pack LSDs
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The factory LSDs in the HD Rams are helical gear type. 1500s have clutch pack LSDs

Exactly, but I'm sure the TrueTrac is much cheaper than the OEM piece.
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