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Just picked up my new truck, and I can only park outside.

I live in Canada, so they do salt the roads a lot. She will also be sitting outside for long hours in the winter :(

I always oil spray before winter. Are there any other ways to protect the under body/body/panels?

Do the electronic rust control systems work at all? Thanks for any suggestions.
 

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Live in Alberta...salt an issue here too.

You say you "oil spray" - are you referring to a treatment like Rustcheck or similar, where they drill little holes in your doors and rockers and spray in some special stuff?

If you mean these treatments - you probably can't do much better, if the person who applies it is experienced and cares about his work. The treatment should include spraying underneath the vehicle and the engine compartment too. I think Rustcheck may be the best product. Dries to a hard waxy protective film, and does a good job of creeping into cracks and hiding holes.

It's best to have this done in warmer weather so it can dry to it's waxy harder film.

Do this every year for at least 2 years, and then you can think about skipping a year and doing every other year. I'd do once a year if lived out East where salt is worse.

You can undercoat, but that doesn't do much for all the exposed components. And if you get a tear or bubble - water can be trapped under the coating and cause more rust than no undercoating.

Getting anal about washing your vehicle is probably going to make the most difference. Use the hand wash wand - not some automatic drive through system, unless you find one that does underbelly. Don't let the salt to sit on it long - not even a day. Wash under the hood - I'm amazed at how many people don't do this. Wash the underneath too - you cant' get to all of it perfectly - but you can get some off by aiming the wand in and up from beside the vehicle.

Heated garages accelerate rusting - great to have, so long as vehicle is clean when you park it. Otherwise, an unheated garage is better. Out in the street even better for rust, but not as friendly to paint and overall care of vehicle.

On a new or near new vehicle, spend the money on 3M clear film protection. This stuff really works and lasts for years - dramatically reduces number of small chips and "sand rash" on front of the vehicle. These spots rust quick. Do the front clip (bumper and fenders) and headlights (protects and keeps from turning yellow). Nice to do mirrors and inside door handles too. On my trucks I usually do about a 10" strip all way along the rocker panels too. I'm looking to buy a 2015 Ram 1500 with Ramboxes and I'll be doing all this plus a few inches around the Rambox openings - where clutzy me is sure to bang stuff loading and unloading. This will probably cost $1000 or so - but probably get most of that back on resale.

Buy some touchup paint - use it soon as you see the inevitable chip. In a salty envireonment these spots rust quick.

Look underneath the truck every summer after surviving another winter - if stuff is starting to rust, spray on some Tremclad or similar rust paint. If you catch it early, will help and not require any significant sanding or prep.

Don't tailgate - leave more space than the average dude does. That noise like a sandstorm is sand from the salt/sand mix ripping into your paint and pitting your windshield.

Sounds like you plan to keep your truck awhile and want to keep it nice. No reason it can't look really good in 10 -15 years. Probably not as easy to do out East.
 

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In my option the spray on thick undercoating only end up trapping moisture and not providing the protection that you need. I am now using a product called Fluid Film. although you have to reapply every year or so. I put an electronic rust control modular unit on my wife's car ( its a 2006 ) and it seems to be working fairly well, to my suprise http://www.fluid-film.com/
 

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I use Krown Oil Guard . Get it done for first two years and then every other year . Not an expert but did a 2002 pontiac and still no rust .
Did a used 2003 mazda and it rusted like crazy
Now i go to Arizona and when I get the Oil changed , the guy comes out of the pit and tells me my drain plug must have loosened cause there is oil EVERY WHERE under the truck , till I explain we Oil Protect in my area where they use LOTS of ROAD SALT ( LOL )
 

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Thanks for the feedback guys, definitely helps.

Just to clarity, I will be going to Krown when i mentioned oil spray. I like their work, and how they spray every single part of the car/truck. They also drill the small holes to spray from the inside of the panels. I will be doing this every single year in sept/oct.

I also get the petro 90 days carwash (a location here does the under body spray), so I have 2 questions regarding this:

1. Isn't it going to be bad if i i'm washing the truck and then parking it outside?
2. Just to be clear(thanks for the idea Bluesmobile), is it better to go to a coin operated
car wash and do it myself? instead of getting the petro pass perhaps?


the 3M idea is a great idea, i will look into this for sure to see how much it will cost me.

Do you guys have much experience with the electronic rust controllers? I know pinebeatle mentioned he has it, any suggestions on what to get ?

Sorry about all the questions guys. I am extremely ocd with my vehicles when it comes to them being clean/rust free. I have always parked indoors.
 

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Parking outside after washing? Way better outcome than leaving the salt on it. Really, about the only issue will be the doors and windows icing shut. This obviously in very undesireable next am trying to get to work on time. Some chance that you will damage the rubber weatherstripping too - by pulling hard on a frozen door. Some damage you'll damage a door handle by pulling too hard. All 3 issues can be managed.

In desperate moments with a stuck door, you can douse your door frame with warm water (not boiling or you may actually burst your window) - or if you have remote start, and have left the heater on - start and let it run a few minutes and try the door again. Eventually it will thaw. And if you need more than one door open (wife?) - get one open and then push open others from the inside. Way easier than pulling like a demon on the door handle from outside.

And you can do a couple of things to prevent serious freezing.
- Spray down your rubber door seals with a silicone spray. Inside window channels too. Do this when it's warm or do it in a warm garage. Needs to dry a bit.
- Take a couple of cloths or old towels with you to the car wash. After washing and before going out into -20, take a couple minutes and open all your doors and wipe down all the rubber seals where they meet the door frame. I wipe twice, second cloth gets things pretty dry. This dramatically reduces amount of water that can freeze, and although your doors may stick a little in extreme temps - I've never had a door freeze solid and not open with minimal drama. This may mean using wand wash, as you may not have time or place to do this when using drive through wash.
- if weather is just ridiculous cold (-30 kinda thing), and you're ok with this for security reasons...leave one door "on the latch". As in, not fully closed - just to the first latch. You should still be able to lock the door - but maybe have to use the key in the lock. Remote lock will probably not work on a partly closed door. You'll still get a partial seal on the door, so snow getting inside truck will be minimal or none. Of course this opens possibility that your door lock will be frozen and unuseable. For door locks I use a product from Amsoil - MP - a very light lubricating oil that leaves very minimal residue. Is used on guns and other delicates. Been using it in all my keylocks including ignition for years. Maybe silicone as second choice. Would hesitate to use WD40 or other sprays for this.

And don't try your power windows until the cab is nice and toasty. And then try real careful with a short burst on the button. If it sticks, leave it alone for awhile. You can cause metal to bend or plastic parts to break down in the window mechanism by trying to hard to open. The motor is stronger than the other parts down there in most cases. If you absolutely need to see what's out there - open your door and stick your head out thata way. Another reason to have a backup camera - which only works when your vehicle is clean by the way.

I live in Alberta - park outside - and wash my truck a lot.

As to using hand wash compared to automatic with underbody spray, I have no experience with the later. I guess try the automatic (you've already bought the pass) - but maybe take a real close look one day after it drys, after a salty day. Look real careful underneath and up in the fenderwells. You should see dry salt if it's been missed. That'll tell you to use hand wash, or maybe both? I find it hard to believe that any automatic can be as thorough up inside wheel wells and also engine compartment, but probably better for underside where it's hard to reach with a wand. Seems like the automatic wont' do engine compartment at all except for underneath. I'd probably do both once in awhile, especially after a drive where your car is really covered.
 

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^^^ great information, i appreciate it. Since we have noting short of storage in these trucks, i'll be carrying rags with me to wipe down after every wash.

You do make a solid point with the automatic wash not reaching everywhere manual wash would(obviously). So I will hand wash it at least once a week if this is the case. Mixed with the automatic wash, can't really do much more than that I guess.

Any suggestions for the silicone spray for the seals you mentioned? I have the de-icer for the door locks which i spray before every winter into the actual lock mechanism.

I wish they made regular house garages longer than the 19' standard. Would solve all these issues..lol. I know this is a truck and its suppose to be rough and rugged, i just like keeping my stuff in good condition.
 

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Thanks for the feedback guys, definitely helps.

Just to clarity, I will be going to Krown when i mentioned oil spray. I like their work, and how they spray every single part of the car/truck. They also drill the small holes to spray from the inside of the panels. I will be doing this every single year in sept/oct.

I also get the petro 90 days carwash (a location here does the under body spray), so I have 2 questions regarding this:

1. Isn't it going to be bad if i i'm washing the truck and then parking it outside?
2. Just to be clear(thanks for the idea Bluesmobile), is it better to go to a coin operated
car wash and do it myself? instead of getting the petro pass perhaps?


the 3M idea is a great idea, i will look into this for sure to see how much it will cost me.

Do you guys have much experience with the electronic rust controllers? I know pinebeatle mentioned he has it, any suggestions on what to get ?

Sorry about all the questions guys. I am extremely ocd with my vehicles when it comes to them being clean/rust free. I have always parked indoors.
Father purchased electronic rust controller 2 years ago. He says it works. It cost him like $500. I am going to look under his vehicle when I get a chance to see for myself. I pretty sure it is a gimmick.
 

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I use Krown Oil Guard . Get it done for first two years and then every other year . Not an expert but did a 2002 pontiac and still no rust .
Did a used 2003 mazda and it rusted like crazy
Now i go to Arizona and when I get the Oil changed , the guy comes out of the pit and tells me my drain plug must have loosened cause there is oil EVERY WHERE under the truck , till I explain we Oil Protect in my area where they use LOTS of ROAD SALT ( LOL )
Have you owned the Pontiac new since 2002? Just curious about long term first hand experience with Krown vs everything i read..lol
 

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Father purchased electronic rust controller 2 years ago. He says it works. It cost him like $500. I am going to look under his vehicle when I get a chance to see for myself. I pretty sure it is a gimmick.
That's why i'm curious to hear from people that have first hand experience with it. I'm sure if you combine the unit with rust proofing and car wash it works vs just relying on the unit alone. I just rather spend that money on something else if it really is a gimmick. Dealer tried to sell it to me really hard, but I turned it down until I do my research.
 

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I want to keep the truck at least 5 years, so rustproofing was in the picture. For the first time, I had Krown oil treatment done a few weeks ago and they sure cover a lot. Even took the back lights off to reach in the back bed panels. Not all oil treatments do the same coverage.
 

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Another Plus for Krown here, getting mine done in two weeks but usually have it done in the spring. I also sprayed fluid film on every bolt underneath including the brake callipers. As for washing I get the 90 day petro pass and get that salt off ASAP however only touchless washes for me. There is one close to work so I just go through after work.
 

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I am always concerned about the pressure of automatic washes and what it does to clearcoat, but no choice in winter time. Def rather hand washing it.

RansRAM what's this fluid film? something CT would have?
 

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I use fluid film on my vehicles,love the stuff,fluid film can be sprayed on everything including rubber with no ill effects whereas krown will cause rubber to swell,fluid film is lanolin based so it will not harm the environment .i get mine from Napa auto parts in 5 gal pail.
 
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