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I / my family have traditionally been Ford owners. Currently I have a Ford F-350 with the 7.3L Diesel 2WD. I like it but it has the very high torque gearing in the back and I think it is a little slow and cumbersome. I had a 2001 F-150 before and I really liked the way that handled and cornered but the 4.7L gas was way underpowered. At this point I'm pretty much set on a 3/4 ton or 1 ton truck and I'm basically set on 4WD. I am kind of on the fence between gas and diesel and the bigger problem between Ford or dodge. The general layout I'm looking for is a 4 door short bed. If were talking Dodge I like the mega cabs over the 4 door.

I don't do alot of towing and the biggest thing I would ever tow would be a few tons, like a midsize tractor. My needs really dont justify a 3/4 or greater ton truck but I think in general they are built heavier and that appeals to me.

With that said there is the gas or diesel. My needs by no means justify a diesel but I feel as though its just a beefy er setup. Also I think that if you buy a more powerful setup it uses less of its potential on a daily basis and in turn lasts longer. I have heard in the Dodges the tranny they put in the diesels cant handle the engine and the tranny goes quick?

If any of you are knowledgeable about mega cabs if you could throw in your 2 cents comparing mega cab to quad cab in dodge and either of those to crew cab in Ford.

I / my family have had nothing but trouble with anything GM so totally not interested in that route. I any of you could throw in thoughts about the ford dodge comparison that would be great.

Thanks! Sorry for throwing alot out there at once.
 

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Well, you came to a Dodge Forum, so you're gonna hear Dodge of course lol. I would say get an 06-08 Mega Cab with a Hemi. The new 6.7l Diesels are made to really work, so when you don't work them they mess up. The Hemi will have plenty of power to haul a tractor. And with the 06-08 1500 Mega Cabs, they're very similar to a HD truck. They're basically 2500's as far as the suspension goes. And when you get that Mega Cab, you won't want anything else. It's absolutely amazing. My father has one and it's unbelievably spacious. Just my .02! Good luck!
 

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just FYI Dodge DOES make a Crew Cab also...a little bigger than the Quad cab but a little smaller than the Mega Cab
 

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The older 48 RE transmissions that used to be behind the CTD wasn't nearly as good as the 68 RFE being used these days so you can pretty much lay your transmission concerns to rest. The Hemi is backed by the 545 RFE. If you want a gas burning 2500 with more off road goodies and comforts than you know what to do with, take a look at the Power Wagons. The come with locking diffs, sway bar disconnects and a factory 12000 lb Warn winch. I really don't recommend buying a diesel unless you have a need for one. These engines are designed to be worked and worked hard. Babying a 6.7 is the worst thing you can do to it short of idling it all the time.
 

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I actually posted this exact same thread in both the ford forum and the dodge forum. I understand each will have their biases but I want input from both sides. This debate is very frustrating because is seems that you can walk up to any given person on any given day and swear on a different truck every time. Even those god awful chevys
 

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To me looking at the quad cab they are exactly the same as the ford extended cab except the door is mounted normally not clamshell style. The dodge crew cabs look a little better but the mega cab still looks to be what is comperable to fords crew cab. Honestly the cummins and the mega cab are really why is apealling to me about dodge. If ford made the 7.3 in a truck newer than 2006 I'd get that in two seconds. I have just heard terrible things about the 6.0's
 

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I've had some experience with the 6.0 and can say it runs good until you need power to pull or haul - it's weak with a load. You could safely say I'm a Ford hater but the 7.3 was a damn good engine once they worked the bugs out of it. They should have never discontinued it.
 

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OK, as an owner of an '09 PowerStroke Superduty and a diehard Dodge fan I consider myself to be pretty level headed to answer this question. I love my 6.4L P/S as a work truck, it's the most reliable diesel hauler I've driven... but it's not a cummins :D

You say you will not be doing any reqular or 'serious' towing, if this is the case, then stay away from the diesels; the new diesels with the DPFs NEED to be driven hard and put away wet if you don't tow. As much as I'm a oil-burner lover, it wouldn't be practical for you and you'd run into lots of troubles with the emissions systems clogging up regardless of make.

I would recommend the gas engine in a 3/4 ton, and if you want some good power for the occasional hauling... STAY AWAY FROM THE FORD! The ford's gas engine has zero guts, even the NEW ford built motor is lacking in the 3/4 ton. I drive a '10 F-250 Superduty gas job for my current contract (client supplied :smileup:, and with the topper and all my rescue gear in the box (~500lb) the truck is sluggish on climbs, but handles the horrible oilfield roads nicely. The fuel economy is about equal between the gas 3/4 tons, but don't expect miracles, around 13MPG would be average, as they do not have the MDS or any kind of fuel savings management in the 3/4 ton trucks.

If you are set on a 3/4 ton for the heavier duty, then you'll sacrifice the mileage, and I'd highly recommend the hemi as it has much better digging power compared to the ford 5.4L, which is a whimp when it comes to pushing the truck.
 

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Most opinions on here will be fairly biased seeing we own rams lol. But from having fords as a work truck i can tell you that they are far from reliable. Also the new fords get worse mileage then the hemi. Ive had good luck with my ram so far.
 

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To me looking at the quad cab they are exactly the same as the ford extended cab except the door is mounted normally not clamshell style. The dodge crew cabs look a little better but the mega cab still looks to be what is comperable to fords crew cab. Honestly the cummins and the mega cab are really why is apealling to me about dodge. If ford made the 7.3 in a truck newer than 2006 I'd get that in two seconds. I have just heard terrible things about the 6.0's
I have heard bad things about the recent Powerstrokes as well. No idea if they are true or not though. :4-dontknow:

As HerRam posted, each companies crew cabs are comparible in size. The Ram's mega cab is ginormous, although the Ford seems to be wider inside.

Cab type Ram Crew Cab Ram Mega Cab F250 Screw
Head Room - Front 41.0" 41.0" 40.7"
Head Room - Rear 39.9" 40.3" 40.8"
Hip Room - Front 63.2" 63.2" 67.6"
Hip Room - Rear 63.2" 62.9" 67.6"
Leg Room - Front 41.0" 41.0" 41.1"
Leg Room - Rear 42.9" 43.3" 42.1"
Shoulder Room - Front 66.0" 65.9" 68.0"
Shoulder Room - Rear 65.7" 65.7" 68.0"
 

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I owned a 2007.5 Ram 2500 6.7L cummins Mega Cab. Greatest vehicle I have ever driven... Had many problems with the turbo even on lengthy highway drives. The problem was, i didn't tow very often with it. They are made to work. I know the 2010 and above have resolved the turbo issue. The last turbo I put in mine was the 2010 version and for 50,000 miles I had no problem whatsoever. As for the Mega Cab, hey , there is nothing out there that compares to it. I drove across Canada and the U.S. with 4 adults and a child in a carseat. Most comfortable and roomy ride I ever had. Fuel mileage was great. Hand calculated, I got 26 miles per gallon(Canadian Gallon) on the highway and 19 to 20 for combined driving. If it wasn't for totalling it in an accident , I would still be driving it.

When I bought a replacement ride, I just could not justify the size of the truck or the diesel. So I went with the 1500 and a Hemi. Worse mileage but cheaper on oil changes.

If you are not going to tow with it you still may not have turbo problems if you stay newer than 2009. If you like the diesel feel you might think about a 2007 or older with the 5.9 cummins. same great fuel mileage and a pleasure to drive. Friend of mine has the 2005 3500 duallie and he has 200 thousand miles on it and not one problem, just does regular maintenance.
 

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You have admitted that you don't need the big power of the diesel, which tells me that it will lead a very pampered life. If that's the case, Dodge/Ford/GM doesn't matter....it WILL give you trouble. All of the diesel engines NEED to work, and the new diesel engines don't like long term idling.

I have owned 5 Ford F150, 3 Ford F250, 2 dodge 2500 and 2 Dodge 1500.

Based on what information you have supplied, I know you will be very pleased with the Ram 2500 with the 5.7L Hemi. Based on personal experience, it pulls....big time.....but not as much as the Cummins. If your looking at the Ford, take a VERY serious look at their new 3.5L.....Yes...3.5L V6. This is the first Ford gasser in a long time that's worth consideration.

Better still, take one of each for a test drive, on the same day. Buy the one that 'YOU' like the most.....I personally hope you choose the Dodge, but if it's the Ford, please come back here and tell us about it...especially if it's the 3.5L. :smileup:
 

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Fords are not bad...They are reliable...But they look like S*** just my opinion...
 

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Well I am a little confused about one thing. Why does a truck have trouble from being under used / not being used to its full potential. I hear you guys saying on the 6.7L Cummins the turbo will have trouble if I don't work it hard enough. I don't understand why that is. Can anyone clarify?
 

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The new emissions equipment for ALL the diesels is the cause of the new woes, but it's a lot better than when it first started coming into play in '07. The engine needs to be run hot and hard in order to keep the diesel particulate filter (DPF) clean; if it's not kept clean through hard driving, it plugs up with soot and then doesn't allow the exhaust gas to flow through properly which causes high backpressure on the turbo's exhaust turbine. The engine's high idle helps some, but without being pushed hard regularly it begins to have issue as the regeneration cycle needs the added air from driving hard with boost to burn off the DPF as the system sprays raw fuel onto the filter and heats it up to the point that the soot breaks up and is expelled out the exhaust.

One benefit of the cummins over the powerstroke is it doesn't have use urea injection or have a barn door for a fuel door.
 

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I would recommend the gas engine in a 3/4 ton, and if you want some good power for the occasional hauling... STAY AWAY FROM THE FORD! The ford's gas engine has zero guts, even the NEW ford built motor is lacking in the 3/4 ton. I drive a '10 F-250 Superduty gas job for my current contract (client supplied :smileup:, and with the topper and all my rescue gear in the box (~500lb) the truck is sluggish on climbs, but handles the horrible oilfield roads nicely. The fuel economy is about equal between the gas 3/4 tons, but don't expect miracles, around 13MPG would be average, as they do not have the MDS or any kind of fuel savings management in the 3/4 ton trucks.

If you are set on a 3/4 ton for the heavier duty, then you'll sacrifice the mileage, and I'd highly recommend the hemi as it has much better digging power compared to the ford 5.4L, which is a whimp when it comes to pushing the truck.
Ford did away with the 5.4 engine altogether after 2010. The new Ford gasser for SuperDutys is the 6.2
 

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If any of you are knowledgeable about mega cabs if you could throw in your 2 cents comparing mega cab to quad cab in dodge and either of those to crew cab in Ford.
love my mega cab, the back seats are awsome !, plenty of leg room, tons of places to stuff all sorts of stuff under the seats behind them and theres nifty storage under the floor behinds the seats. n the seats fold down n its like a bed back there. other then that... the amount of room back there is just flippin crazy, only down fall is they dont make them factory with a long bed.
i dont really know to much about the quad cabs or the ford crew cabs. hope this helps :smileup:
 

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I myself have been in the market for a new truck. Considering all of those that really would meet my needs. As you have done, I have narrowed my selection down to Ford and Dodge. Being a dodge guy for the past 4 years, it was hard to drive over to Ford and look at their vehicles. Though at this point, I had already test drove Dodge, Hummer, Toyota, GMC, and Nissan. I'm glad I did, in making my final selection I chose Ford. I thought it would be my last, but it's my choice. What it comes down to is what you personally want. Personally, of the non-diesels out there on the market with the past 5 years, I chose the 2011 Ford F-150 SuperCrew Raptor.
 

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Should be ford vs. Ram trucks, but thats an entirely different story.
One of the biggest things the ram has going for it is the Cummins engine. Most guys who really work there truck and use it as a HD will tell you if they put a Cummins in a Ford (with an allison transmission) It would be the best truck out there.
Fords ride really well but ever since they stopped using the 7.3 they've really lost it but may be on to something with there newest line of engines (we'll see)
Rams have stuck with the tried and proven and its working really well. They changed the 5.9L and there was a huge uproar, but now after a few years guys are starting to really accept the 6.7(usually without the DPF and EGR though:smileup:) Plus the fact that they're now the only ones who still offer a manual transmission in a truck!
My brother I grew up in my uncles Ford dealership but my dad was always the mopar outcast (70 Challenger) When my dad bought his 11 Big Horn my brother was ticked. He didnt like the look of the front end and my dad really rubbed it into him when he pulled out the Ram brochure and put it next to a GT500 ad (My brother races a 2007 Mustang GT/CS). He's slowly opening up to it though haha
 
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