[PTCTreeGuy]

Figured I had some time today to swing by the local dealer that just got in their EcoDiesel and finally go for a test drive. I got there and was just about floored by the sticker. They have a Longhorn 2wd stickered for 52k with an add-on charge of almost 3 grand, since they seem to like to add things I assumed that was Mopar or aftermarket accessories. I get there and find out that 3 grand markup was an EXTREME Limited availability charge. Thankfully the salesman I've been talking to wasn't there so I couldn't ask her what the hell they were thinking. Instead I got the terrible and incompetent quick sales approach from two lot salesmen. Apparently that's the only one they would get and all the dealers nationwide only got one for this year. I was dismissed out of hand and told orders would not be accepted and you had to buy off the lot. Also no one anywhere was offering anything less than MSRP and if they did they were fools for losing money. No incentives were possible and that the 55k price was set in stone for a 'loaded' truck. How is a Longhorn loaded when the ONLY options were comfort group, anti-spin and sunroof? It wasn't even 4wd, no air suspension or RamBoxes, no remote cd or trailer package.

I know many people on here have ordered and seem to have gotten the usual deals you'd expect with any truck. Has anyone else come across a dealer so clueless and useless? Especially given the fact there are at least 5 other Chrysler dealers within 45 min of them, two of which have offered to order a truck when I come in and are top sellers in the Southeast. I'm sure dealers are allowed to run and sell products to their own pricing plans but telling an informed consumer he's wrong and without directly saying it but hinting that I'm a liar about sales, pricing and what actually comes on a truck would surely bother Chrysler corporate. Although they probably won't lose a sale corporately, just have a temporarily annoyed customer who won't return to that dealership even for service.

Vent over, just have no one here that would appreciate the frustration of waiting for something to test drive and finding out they think you should be grateful to be screwed like that. I'll probably name the dealer after I talk with her about the truck and ordering mine to see how strong their position is about losing a sale to competing lots. Course these are also the guys that said in January the Viper was no longer being made so information is not their strength.

 

[tweener439]

Wow that's severe. I've been keeping tabs and pricing Eco's through DD here in Idaho and they have several at 10k below MSRP. I'd definitely say that someone needs a wake up call.

 

[Dr Honda]

Ford pulled that crap with the "New T-Bird" and they KILLED the sales because of it. They would hang a new window sticker next to the original that said... "Market adjusted Price". Originally Ram was worried about this, and actually warned the dealers to NOT DO IT. The reason was... they want the ED to be a success.

The ED's are coveted, and hard to find right now. My suggestion is to simply start calling around, and find a dealer that will work with you. Besides... if they add too much to the price... and don't give any incentives... you may as well buy an 2500 Cummins.

As an FYI... I ordered my ED, and was able to get 1% BELOW invoice at the time of the order. Then, when it finally showed up... I got all the normal factory rebates. (about $4500 worth) At that point, the selling price was about $9500 off the MSRP.


Oh... also... I had that same thing happen in 2007 when I bought my Toyota FJ. (they were high demand at first also) One dealer wanted 2K over MSRP... and another (big) dealer said "Window Sticker is the best they would do." AND "If I didn't buy it... someone else will." The reall issue is... with that kind of attitude... they lost the potential sells of any car from me in the future. In the end... I went to a small dealer... and they worked with me on the price, and located the FJ I wanted.

 

[Keebee]

They did not add anything on my Longhorn EcoD sticker was 54K and my price was 44K with taxes and tags.

 

[Keebee]

btw they used to do that added price to stickers in the DC area. Not sure they would get away with that here in Houston.

 

[PTCTreeGuy]

I'm going back just to talk with the salesman and go on a test drive but the internet sales guy at Voyles was willing to enter an order for me after I emailed him what I was looking for. Only catch was he said no RamBoxes on EcoDiesel, will have to email him back and suggest spp's trick to get the order to go through. It's close to an hour away but they at least were willing to order a truck and send the actual order sheet to me in an email without blanking out any details or prices.

 

[jc55]

I just wish all the rebates/incentives were available for the EcoD as well as for the gassers. As of right now, it makes the EcoD effectively a $4850 option.

 

[PTCTreeGuy]

The incentive line guys told me today the Ram Truck and SE bonus cash were EcoDiesel eligible, there was an additional gas only rebate but wasn't listed for the SE any longer.

 

[Ramajama]

Supply and demand.......

 

[Warwagon]

Just be glad you aren't in Canada where the dealers are trying to get cummins money for the Eco diesel:box:

 

[RC51]

Just be glad you aren't in Canada where the dealers are trying to get cummins money for the Eco diesel:box:

My fully loaded oredered Laramie stickred just a hair short of $65K in Canada but with all my discounts I got $15K off this price. I test drove ED yesterday and the sales manager said he would sell to me the same truck I have with the extra cost premium for ED engine. The problem is getting one in with all the features I have or ordering which would end up being a 2015 model.
I'm sure if you wait a few months the 2015 models will be built and the hype will come down some.

 

[Limited 3500]

I just wish all the rebates/incentives were available for the EcoD as well as for the gassers. As of right now, it makes the EcoD effectively a $4850 option.

I wouldn't complain, that's still a lot cheaper than $7995 for the Cummins option.

I remember years ago if you took the diesel option you had a chance to recoup the extra money you spent on the diesel from longevity, lower priced diesel fuel verses gas and better fuel economy. With the cost of the diesel option now that's not possible any more, at least not with the Cummins. The first time I got the diesel option it was on a 1985 Ford F350 and it was around $1500 or less. With diesel fuel at about 50 to 60 cent a gallon and gas about 10 to 15 cent a gallon more than that, there was money to be saved back then. Diesel engines have become more of a novelty for a lot of people now. If I didn't need the torque and horsepower to pull a heavy trailer I would have bought a gasser in a heartbeat. The longevity of a gas motor is right up there with the diesel now, unlike the previous gas motors that would only get 100,000 miles before needing an overhaul. Gas is a lot cheaper than diesel now and diesel fuel prices will probably rise as vehicles with diesel engines become more popular. It's all about demand, the more of demand the higher the price. Back in 1985 diesel vehicles were almost unheard of for the average consumer and because of that diesel fuel was cheap, that's not the case anymore. One last thing, the 1985 F350 with the diesel option, and every other option available at the time, cost me $16,500 out the door. The price I paid for the one I just bought (with all available options) was $64,900 out the door including sales tax and tags. The MSRP was $72,000. Boy do I miss the old days pricing.

 

[Tupelo]

I came across the same thing. My Local Dealer tried to tell me (this was back in March) that they were only making 200 Diesels - for all of Canada. I then told him that RAM had sold and was building 8000 (I knew more about the product than he did) and that there were no limits on the build - other than they were surprised by the initial demand.

Basically it came down to this -> he had a lot of trucks on his lot - and wanted to sell those.

He also told me (or argued with me): Diesel - why do you want that - you don't need it. The best one -> (his words) they are having big problems with the Diesel. When I pressed him on that one, it was due to ordering demand - but he made it sound like the Engine was bad - and this is a guy selling vehicles for RAM????:doh:

Needless to say - after arguing with me about every option I wanted (same tune - you don't need it, etc.), and then telling me he would not give me a quote, unless I signed a build sheet - I left.

Not all dealers are this bad - but you have to work to find the good ones.

 

[Warwagon]

I wouldn't complain, that's still a lot cheaper than $7995 for the Cummins option.

I remember years ago if you took the diesel option you had a chance to recoup the extra money you spent on the diesel from longevity, lower priced diesel fuel verses gas and better fuel economy. With the cost of the diesel option now that's not possible any more, at least not with the Cummins. The first time I got the diesel option it was on a 1985 Ford F350 and it was around $1500 or less. With diesel fuel at about 50 to 60 cent a gallon and gas about 10 to 15 cent a gallon more than that, there was money to be saved back then. Diesel engines have become more of a novelty for a lot of people now. If I didn't need the torque and horsepower to pull a heavy trailer I would have bought a gasser in a heartbeat. The longevity of a gas motor is right up there with the diesel now, unlike the previous gas motors that would only get 100,000 miles before needing an overhaul. Gas is a lot cheaper than diesel now and diesel fuel prices will probably rise as vehicles with diesel engines become more popular. It's all about demand, the more of demand the higher the price. Back in 1985 diesel vehicles were almost unheard of for the average consumer and because of that diesel fuel was cheap, that's not the case anymore. One last thing, the 1985 F350 with the diesel option, and every other option available at the time, cost me $16,500 out the door. The price I paid for the one I just bought (with all available options) was $64,900 out the door with a MSRP of $72,000. Boy do I miss the old days pricing.

The cummins diesel option in my area of Ontario Canada is $12K:SHOCKED:
And the average sticker on those trucks is North of 90K:4-looney: and some are wayyy over 100K
Americans and Canadians have MUCH different pricing....
I'll stick too my HEMI power thanks, for the prices of the trucks with diesel and the LACK of warranty support in Canada from Chrysler it's wayyy cheaper in the long run to own a gas powered truck IMHO from a Canadians point of view

 

[RC51]

I came across the same thing. My Local Dealer tried to tell me (this was back in March) that they were only making 200 Diesels - for all of Canada. I then told him that RAM had sold and was building 8000 (I knew more about the product than he did) and that there were no limits on the build - other than they were surprised by the initial demand.

Basically it came down to this -> he had a lot of trucks on his lot - and wanted to sell those.

He also told me (or argued with me): Diesel - why do you want that - you don't need it. The best one -> (his words) they are having big problems with the Diesel. When I pressed him on that one, it was due to ordering demand - but he made it sound like the Engine was bad - and this is a guy selling vehicles for RAM????:doh:

Needless to say - after arguing with me about every option I wanted (same tune - you don't need it, etc.), and then telling me he would not give me a quote, unless I signed a build sheet - I left.

Not all dealers are this bad - but you have to work to find the good ones.

Like you said it depends on the dealer. I was originally going to get Diesel but decided not to wait to order one as I probably would still be waiting (I have my Laramie for almost four months). I drove yesterday the only eco they have on the lot (first one went to another customer) and besides the fuel savings (still a three year minimum payback) here since diesel is more expensive up to 25 cents/litre versus mid grade gas( more versus regular which is what i generally use). What I did miss from my hemi was the throttle response, the exhaust tone and power. The eco had a funny winding up noise while you accelerated but was quite at idle. If we could get the same gas mileage as a diesel with gas and the performance of the hemi this would be the perfect motor

 

[Limited 3500]

The cummins diesel option in my area of Ontario Canada is $12K:SHOCKED:
And the average sticker on those trucks is North of 90K:4-looney: and some are wayyy over 100K
Americans and Canadians have MUCH different pricing....
I'll stick too my HEMI power thanks, for the prices of the trucks with diesel and the LACK of warranty support in Canada from Chrysler it's wayyy cheaper in the long run to own a gas powered truck IMHO from a Canadians point of view

And in an American point of view too IMHO

 

[-Sobe-]

Yeah, I found the same thing when I was looking back in Feb/March. Some dealers knew a little bit about it and when it would be available and others, like mentioned, tried saying that it was a limited build and there wouldn't even be enough for one per dealer in the US.... "but we are a high volume RAM dealer so we are going to get 2". I emailed the one sales guy the article about 8000 units ordered the first weekend... I couldn't help it.

If you want to ensure you are getting the best deal and are working with the right dealer you have to put in some time researching and talking to multiple dealers. I think I dealt with 9 dealers before going with the one I did... and that one didn't come easy, but we finally came to an agreement. We will see if they try to back out of anything now that they are arriving on some lots... and mine should be in over Memorial weekend.

 

[RC51]

It's all relative. Canadian diesel pricing versus American is the same. You will still pay the same difference for a ECO diesel versus a Cummins 2500 diesel in either country. With all the discounts applied in Canada at my dealer the Cummins diesel is at least $10,000 more.

 

[hattitude]

They have a Longhorn 2wd stickered for 52k with an add-on charge of almost 3 grand, since they seem to like to add things I assumed that was Mopar or aftermarket accessories. I get there and find out that 3 grand markup was an EXTREME Limited availability charge.

I was told orders would not be accepted and you had to buy off the lot. Also no one anywhere was offering anything less than MSRP and if they did they were fools for losing money.

I had that same thing happen in 2007 when I bought my Toyota FJ. (they were high demand at first also) One dealer wanted 2K over MSRP... and another (big) dealer said "Window Sticker is the best they would do." AND "If I didn't buy it... someone else will."

Sadly, some dealers use these short sighted tactics because they work.... someone will buy the vehicle at inflated prices for whatever reason. Usually because they want to be one of the first and/or they are uninformed...

Besides, the salesman only cares about THIS sale, not forming a relationship with a buyer. The chances are he'll be somewhere else within 2 years....

 

[Dr Honda]

I just looked at the dealer I got mine from.... and he has at least 3 on the lot right now. Here's a 4x4 Laramie ED... and they are taking $7200 off the sticker without even asking. (asking price is $44k for a loaded up Laramie ED)


SO.... Go tell your local dealer to shove his inflated price up is A$$ !!!!


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