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I recently installed AMP Research powers steps. they cost about $1300 Cdn (from National4wd in Burlington) and with receipt and one box top will get a free bumper step (or bed extender) through AMP Reaserch.

The install by the instruction is 3 hours and difficulty of 4/4. It took me about 4-5 hours and it was cold out and I was in no hurry. The most difficult part for me was removing my instrument cluster.

AMP Research's step kit includes everything needed including LED lights. My kit is for the quad cab and mega cab 2002-2008. The light wiring is part of the wiring harness for the power step so I assume that the lights weren't included when these steps first came out. The steps tuck up nicely under the vehicle when stowed and when deployed make a comfortable step up in a stock height 4x4. The step is less than halfway (10") than the floor height of 24", so even with a mild lift it'll still be comfortable. AMP R. does offer extend arms of an additional 2".

The instruction were alright using mainly pictograms. Being for both quad and mega cab I roughly followed dimensions on light placement. A couple of pics before we get any further:

Steps installed and retracted - hidden;


Steps deployed;


Bracket arms were pretty easy to install using existing holes for the main blots and by drilling two holes per bracket for pop rivets. A right angle drill would be useful or these holes or a compact drill as you have about 8" clearance between frame and door sill. I didn't drill or rivet yet, I'll see how it holds up, checking bollts periodically. I don't want to invite rust if I can avoid it. Using the existing holes per the instruction it seems that the brackets are not in the optimal position asthetically or dirctly under foot when climbing into the back. Small price to pay for not having to drill those holes.

The wiring harness is top notch and correctly laid out with just enough length. The powered arms are mounted forward with unpowered arms aft. Four wires must run into the cab through the firewall. This is my only complaint with this product. The instructions show a simple pictograph of where the wires enter the cab underneath the vehicle. It was hard to decipher but seemed to shoe it going through the steering column boot. It seem a difficult place to access so I looked around for a better point, even if I had to drill. As luck would have it I found a rubber firewall plug to the 10 o'clock position of the brake master cylinder (see pic). Fantastic location as it brings the wires in above the accelerator pedel where it will go in behind the instrument cluster. I'm going to use this plug later should I mount an external gps antenae or other electrics.



The hardest part of the install was getting the instrument cluster out, there just didn't have the room until I finally figured out how to unplug the 3 harnesses at the back. I had to tap into four wires in the back of the middle harness. They are for the "door ajar" idiot light. I had to identify 4 of the six violet wires on the oem harness but it was without difficult. I use the supplied power taps (first time using them and much nicer than thiose old blue power taps. It might've been posible to follow this harness down and tap in lower (and not mess with the cluster) but this way I was sure to get the right wires and there is room behind the gauges.

the rest of the harness was easy the controller and two wires in the the engine compartment (positive right to the battery, the the negative to chassis close by). Also an inline fuse. Then route the wires down avoiding moving parts ar heat scources.


Plug the wires into the motors then two pig tails either side for the lights. Again I differed from the instructions to position the light where feet would step. The lights require drilling through spot welds on the bottom body seem and crimping. Job done.

The lights;


I really love these steps, they comfortable, wide (6") and again in an appropriate location. They fully hide when retracted (I'm not keen on the look of steps), extend fast enough to be there when you want it. They only extend when one of the doors on that side are opened (all four lights light up regardless of what door is opened). They are also presuure sensitive, put some weight on the step as you cliose the door and it won't retract.

Time will tell if they last through our Canadian winters with slush build up, salt and the like. But after one day, at this time, I highly recommend them. Just cant wait for my bumper step (which, originally, is the only item I was going to buy - oops)
 
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Good looking mod! You'll just have to try and keep the swing arms cleaned from time to time so they don't freeze up.
 

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i want these so bad... great write up, im just gonna pay someone to install mine... wires freak me out a little.
Nothing is overly difficult on the install. The four wires that you have to connect behind/under the dash were coloured the same as the factory wires, violet/yellow to violet/yellow, violet/grey to violet/grey and so on. The posi-taps were a dream to use. The lights is crimping red to red and black to black. The hardest part was unplugging the harnesses on the back of the gauge cluster, then plugging them back in (just so little room there). Once I had the cluster out I had plenty of room to work. Just remove your negative battery terminal before starting any work and you'll do fine this is something I tend to do if work is a little more involved than changing wiper blades. There's a certain satisfaction in doing a mod yourself plus the money you'd save having someone else do could pay for the next mod. It is minimum about a 3 hour install. Now is a good time to buy because the manufacturer is offering through their dealers the free bed step or bed extender but only until Decembre 31st. I notice that you're on the Rock, National4WD is a Canadian distributor of these, the steps came in in about a week. As long as your receipt is dated befor the end of the year you can mail all the info before January 31st to still be eligible I believe. Adn by my research this is one product that is the same price as down you'd pay in the States.
 

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Good looking mod! You'll just have to try and keep the swing arms cleaned from time to time so they don't freeze up.
I'll be sure to spray WD40 onthe hinges at least during the winter, perhaps even to the underside to prevent ice build up.
 

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Those look really good man! Nice write up and pics! Yea it will be the ultimate test through the winter, if it lasts then they are a good buy for sure
 

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I hope you post your results through/after the winter. I'd also love to see a clear(er) pic of what they look like tucked up inside. If my family member accidentally got a limb stuck in there when it was retracting, it is sensitive enough not to inflict pain? Is there draining surfaces in the step, or is it a non-slip surface?

Fantastic mod, and I am glad you shared such a detailed description. Added to my bucket list of future mods for sure!
 

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Well we had some snow in my part of Ontario, had some ice stick to it. Unfortunately the camera didn't work tonight so no pictures.

AMP's pic does show a good representation where the sit retracted (right behind the front wheels so you know where the ice will build up). Having said that, they feel and look like they might be teflon coated. I put it in 4x4 and with all the crap I kicked up today it didn't build up like I expected it to. When stowed you can't see them at all. The aluminum steps have a textured coating on them and are non slip, so far I've every confidence in that. there are no drain holes on the steps that i saw butwhen retracted they are angled down from the outside in.

I would estimate that it takes about 20lbs to stop them retracting. Just for you, I let my Croc covered foot to ride up on the step and to jam it stoped. It was not painful but was uncomfortable and I couldn't pull my foot out. I think the pressure would be enough to scare a small child and a 45 year old that wasn't expecting it. That being said I'd be more concerned with the child getting caught in the closing door than the closing step.

 

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Nice write up and a great looking mod. I was very close to ordering a set when I first got my truck but had a few people get me thinking about our winters (formost the wife!) and the price is a big factor for sure. Please keep us informed how they do through the winter would you? Maybe with you as a test mule I'll get a set come spring lol...rep for the write up and pics
 

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Thanks for enduring the pain to test it! I'm just curious, that's all. My van had power sliders and I can put a finger in there when it closes and it will reverse without pinching.

Looks like snow is upon us. Had to buy winter wipers yesterday just to cope with the ice. Can't wait to get the new truck and enjoy the 4wd.

I grew up in Burlington and will certainly look up National4WD when I get some spare cash for accessories. I've never been in thier shop.

Thanks again. Appreciated.
 

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Well yesterday it was -9 with windchill, my tailgate was frozen shut, as was my flipbak cover, as was my drivers window, as was my left nut. The steps worked perfectly, ice build was not an issue. As mentioned in a previous post there is a pressure sensor sort of thing going on, a small amount of weight on the step will stop it going up, I just tested it by holding it up with my foot while opening the door and was able to stop it no problem. This suggests to me that if its frozen in the retracted position or blocked from stowing because of ice (buildup or blockage) that it will not allow itself to be forced to move. The worst case scenario would be the step stuck in the fully down position. It would still have the 9'' of ground clearance. I will keep this thread updated but I'm still hoping for another mild winter (one reason I didn't move up to Sudbury).
 

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Thanks for enduring the pain to test it! I'm just curious, that's all. My van had power sliders and I can put a finger in there when it closes and it will reverse without pinching.

Looks like snow is upon us. Had to buy winter wipers yesterday just to cope with the ice. Can't wait to get the new truck and enjoy the 4wd.

I grew up in Burlington and will certainly look up National4WD when I get some spare cash for accessories. I've never been in thier shop.

Thanks again. Appreciated.
They're on Harvester (northside) between Appleby & Burloak. I always thought that they'we expensive but I finding that this might not be correct. These steps and Mickey Thompson products are the same price as listed in USA only stores like Jegs!
 

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Was on their site and on the phone with them today. No stock on the 2010 ram and they can't say if I'd get it before the rebate oofer expires on jan 31 shit! price was only 1050 plus 75 shipping though. They are going to call me on Mon with answers lets hope!!!
 

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Was on their site and on the phone with them today. No stock on the 2010 ram and they can't say if I'd get it before the rebate oofer expires on jan 31 shit! price was only 1050 plus 75 shipping though. They are going to call me on Mon with answers lets hope!!!
I'm assuming national4wd's site. They should honour the rebate if ordered before Decembre 31st when the rebate ends especially if paid in full (or even a deposit). The January 31st deadline is for when your rebate must be mailed in!. You could also contact AMP Research directly if National4wd can't give you an answer.

My thoughts are that these steps should be covered by OHIP for us old bastards that have difficulties getting into our trucks!
 

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Yeah I'm thinking for that price i'm going to order them and if they can't get them to me in time to mail in the rebate I'll contact amp with my invoice and delivery statement and see what they will do for me. Considering the best price i've seen is 1300usd 1050cad is too good to pass up even if I don't get the extender!
I like your idea!! maybe send in the bill to ohip and see what they say!! lol
 

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wow, this would be a perfect mod to my new ram. Curious on hiw the install would go on the 2010 being the computer/ dash board is totally diff from the 05
 

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wow, this would be a perfect mod to my new ram. Curious on hiw the install would go on the 2010 being the computer/ dash board is totally diff from the 05
It works independantly from the comp. Powered right from the battery and tapped into the "door ajar" idiot light.
 
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