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Can a Laramie last? 10-15 years, 1/4-million miles???



My angle is this:
I keep my vehicles for a long time before replacing them. Sometimes I literally run em into the ground before replacing them. I like those many years of having no monthly car payments and feel I really get my monies' worth. Had a '90 Pontiac kept for 15 years and over a quarter-million miles; my current Ram 1500 SLT is from '05 and approaching a quarter-million...


I'm thinking of getting a '19 (or maybe '20) Laramie 1500, with the intent to keep it for 1/4-million miles, 13-15 years. Is this plausible? Is that unrealistic when considering the Laramie trim level? (Versus say, a simpleton trim such as SLT/Big Horn, Tradesman, etc?)


My pontiac and 1500 SLT were both low-tech, low-frills, cloth, relatively "simpleton" automobiles. Perhaps that's why they were able to last so long? Would a loaded Laramie and all its tech (12" Uconnect, leather, etc) last as long?


Is there a reason we don't see 12 yo/250k high trim trucks, caddies, lexus running around? (At least not with their original owners anymore)


Is the reason we don't see high-level trims lasting a long time with their original owners due to those people being the kind that choose/able to change their vehicles frequently? Or is it because high-level trims tend to have problems with their gizmos at the 6-year point?


Would I be mistaken to assume I could enjoy a fully functional healthy 1500 Laramie and all its goodies for as along as I enjoyed a 1500 SLT (or a manual Pontiac with hand-cranked windows and plain FM/AM radio) ???


Or would a loaded 1500 Laramie only be so much collection of sexy things that will fail one by one beginning on year five?


Your thoughts, please. Thank you in advance.
 

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Sure, the more options and accessories the more things that can potentially go wrong. I guess the only thing I will add is that for the most part, a Laramie will have the same major powertrain components of a SLT/Big Horn. So all is equal there in terms of longevity.

But as the previous post pointed out, the Maxcare warranty is certainly something to consider. I purchased it when I bought my 2017 Big Horn. Didn't get it when I bought my 2015 Express though.

Good luck in your decision!
 

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I traded in a 2003 SLT Laramie on a 2017 Limited.

I didn't own the 03 since new and can't speak for what was repaired prior to me getting it. The vehicle was reasonably cared for but was exposed to SC and GA sun for it's entire lifespan.

The things I repaired were items that all models would have had to deal with, like power seat actuators stripped, heater core plugged up, broken blend doors, ripped drivers seat bottom, cracked dash, etc.

The wood trim and leather was all in excellent condition which is really all the Laramie packages got you in those days. The power door locks, remote entry, power windows, etc were all good.

FWIW, my 02 SLT that I sold with 327K miles on it had the exact same list of repairs made to it, as did my first 03 with only 105K.
 

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If you can keep your vehicles from rusting out in Hawaii

Just get the Mopar Lifetime Maximum Care Warranty

shop for the best prices & then ask your dealership to match that lower price

This company sells the Mopar Plans for a decent price

http://www.chryslerfactoryplans.com/
 

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I don't see why it wouldn't. The more complicated electronics run the truck and radio, so they are the same in the mid and lower trim trucks anyway, with the exception of sometimes the radio.


I think the reason you usually see mid and lower level trims lasting longer is that the guys buying the high end trims are the type to trade up after a few years. Not always, but often times, subsequent owners don't care for them as well, etc... You get the ones buying the depreciated trucks who have this "its a truck" mindset so they purposely abuse it (driving through the surf at the beach-seen that one a lot) in ways they wouldn't other types of vehicles.


Lower trims are also usually more likely to be work or fleet vehicles which means they are part of a maintenance program that includes both time and counter based PMs, and where the trucks are on the road for work rather than being driven to and from work as a personal truck would be, so they rack up miles quicker.


They are out there, I also think up until more recently the majority of buyers were getting mid level trucks like SLTs and Bighorns; I don't think the shift to high end trims for the majority of buyers took place until within the past decade.


Mechanically, a Laramie is not substantially different from a Tradesman. They have the same engines, transmissions, cooling and electrical systems, and suspension components (assuming they are both either coil or air suspension, but either are options on either). The main difference and what you are paying so much extra for on the Laramie is the additional bells and whistles and fancier surfaces. A Laramie may have a heated seat go out that was never present on a Tradesman to begin with, but its non-essential and doesn't deadline the truck.
 

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Just ordered a 2019 Lone Star. Still driving my 1998 SLT Laramie, bought new, now with 230K. Lots of towing, have gone through 2 transmission rebuilds but the 5.9 still runs great and doesn't burn any oil. A basic truck by today's standards but I have always loved it and found it very comfortable.

I agree with other posts that all the 2019's share the same drive train, the extra costs of high end trim are for bells and whistles. If I wanted them I wouldn't hesitate to get them, but for the money a Lone Star is to me a very nice, comfortable and capable truck and all the options on the higher trim levels don't add value for me proportionate to the extra cost. I will keep the truck forever, most likely, so resale isn't a factor - durability is. Whatever trim level you get, if you are diligent about maintenance the power train should last a good long time and any issues with the bells and whistles will be more of an annoyance than a big problem, hopefully.
 

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One of the main reasons you do not see very old, high mileage luxury vehicles is parts availability and complexity.
Since the 90's, they became more electronic and sophisticated at an almost exponential rate. Now days, almost all major components have electronics in them. Those cars tended to change rapidly, too, to keep them 'interesting enough' to those types of buyers. Smaller build quantities meant less replacement parts and aftermarket companies unwilling to invest in making those parts as they will be very costly and would sell very slowly. More and more parts had to be custom programmed for the exact vehicle - ECMs, body control units, suspension control units, steering units, brake modulators.............. Lots of that firmware was proprietary as well, so even harder for aftermarket parts to be made.
Electronic parts also have a bit of 'shelf life', as capacitors change value or opto-isolators can fog up after many years and in higher heat, whether they were used or not. Mechanical parts can sit on the shelf for decades and still be good. I have experienced all of those.

As a true fact, Rockauto still carries almost every mechanical service part one could ever need for a 72 Cutlass or a 78 Pinto to keep them drivable. For a 97 Seville? Only about 1/3, if that.

Last year I had sold my 97 STS as it was beginning to have issues. Overall it was very reliable till then. Now the struts were electronically controlled. 10 years ago they were $700 EACH, now they do not exist. Suspension position sensors are now unavailable. Keyless entry modules no longer exist. Luckily I never needed those, but knew I would soon! Only a diehard lover of a particular model would be willing to try to find parts for them, and most would be from yardes de' junque. Of course the exact model and trim would needed to be found. There were also 15 computer modules in series that if one crapped, the whole system died.
That was '97. Today it is even much more involved!

As for a Laramie, I did not get that trim as I did not want the memory mirror and seat package. The sensors in the seats and mirrors are often first to go. They gave me fits in the STS after 10 years. Parts were not available either - only whole seat or mirror.
Stay away from the air suspension. FAR away...

As for buying a redesigned '19 for intents on keeping it that long, you might want to wait until any bugs are worked out (if any). The longer a generation of vehicle is out there, the longer it should last.
My STS was in its 4th year so perhaps that was why I had decent luck with it. In 98 they redid it.

My 17 RAM is many years in so I have confidence it will last. I got the lifetime warranty as well for peace of mind.
 

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As a true fact, Rockauto still carries almost every mechanical service part one could ever need for a 72 Cutlass or a 78 Pinto to keep them drivable. For a 97 Seville? Only about 1/3, if that.

But the parts to keep a 2018 Ram drivable are the same for a Tradesman as they are for a Laramie. You may not be able to get seat heaters or whatever but you also don't need those for the vehicle to function as a vehicle
 

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You may not be able to get seat heaters or whatever but you also don't need those for the vehicle to function as a vehicle
While a true statement, failure of the seat/mirror position sensors can get very annoying. My seat in the STS would occasionally move all the way back at key insertion since the computer did not know where it was. It would hit the stop, jam, and pop a 'limit of travel' error on the display. I could manually readjust it, then the next time it would move some again and maybe figure out where it was. It did this in the front up travel also. If it did this more often than it did, I would have opted to drive it off a cliff. Unplugging the seat only caused multiple codes to set, then had to clear them out each time I started it.
I am just one to not tolerate annoyances well...
 

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My last Dodge, a 2000 Laramie 1500. It had 264k miles when i sold it. Thiing just kept running. Had transmission work done, as well as a new computer. Plus all other standard upkeeps.
 

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I just traded in my 2012 Laramie 1500 for a 2018 Laramie 2500. My old one had over 114,500 miles on it with very few issues. The biggest repair I had was replacing leaking transmission cooling lines. The truck never gave me a single day of aggravation. If I hadn’t needed to upgrade for 5th wheel towing capability, I would have kept my 1500 for many more years. Appearance wise, the only flaw was that I had tears in the driver’s seat, it was otherwise immaculate. My advice is to buy the Laramie and maintain it well. Good luck
 

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My 2005 Ram has 270,000 miles. Only failure has been a fuel pump. It has held up against rust in Maine as well!
 

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My 2005 Ram has 270,000 miles. Only failure has been a fuel pump. It has held up against rust in Maine as well!

Do you get it undercoated or anything?
 

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My 2005 Ram has 270,000 miles. Only failure has been a fuel pump. It has held up against rust in Maine as well!

As far as rust are you referring to the body or the underside?

I peeked under mine the other day as was surprised at the amount of rust already. Theres rust on the frame, entire drive shaft and parts of the rear axle and shock mounts as well asthe differential cover bolts. Looks horrible after just over a year old :smiledown:

Body looks fine and the underside of the cab/floorpans looks good.
 

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I spray "Fluidfilm" inside doors, rockers, frame, tailgate, etc. Even dropped the gas tank down and blasted. So far only 1 spot of rust beside gas filler door. Maine is the worst, btw. Now the Ford dealer offers lifetime guarantee rust proofing for $1,000 on vehicles less than 90 days old. Wish that had been available in 2005. Fluidfilm is great, but you have to reapply every year as it gets sand blasted off. I have a newer Ram that I may get rustproofed, though guarantee is only 8 years after 90 days. Get some "Ospho" paint on the rust, then spray bed liner, should arrest the rust in it's tracks. Still you have to work at it. My Dad's GMC failed state inspection for frame rust after 6 years and hundreds of Tundras and Tacomas have had frames fail in Maine, so...... Have appointment with a body shop Monday to fix the 1 rust spot. IMHO, the Dodge Rams have the best frames, but you still have to be vigilant.
 

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"Would I be mistaken to assume I could enjoy a fully functional healthy 1500 Laramie and all its goodies for as along as I enjoyed a 1500 SLT (or a manual Pontiac with hand-cranked windows and plain FM/AM radio) ???


Or would a loaded 1500 Laramie only be so much collection of sexy things that will fail one by one beginning on year five?


Your thoughts, please. Thank you in advance."

Hello Kukailimoku,

My name is Jason Edmonson and I am a Mopar extended warranty specialist for Chrysler Warranty Direct. Here's my take on all the bells and whistles on the new Rams.

We all know how older electronics begin having issues as they age, computers, cell phones, etc. I don't believe that the computers/electronics/tech in vehicles are any different. That's where the Mopar Maximum Care Vehicle Protection plans come into play.

For an individual like yourself, that plans to keep the vehicle until the wheels fall off, I would recommend the Lifetime Maximum Care plan (available on gasoline engine Ram 1500 and Ram 2500 that are less than 48 months old and that have less than 48k miles). The Lifetime Maximum Care plan is full mechanical and electric coverage for your vehicle with the exception of normal wear and tear parts for as long as you own the vehicle.

Feel free to call me at (888) 352-6103 for the absolute lowest pricing available for the Mopar Vehicle Protection Plans.

Have a great day!

[email protected]
 

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#1 use good oil, service transmission and differentials. I flushed cooling system every 100,000 miles. I have Mag Hytec trans pan and differential cover. Like I said, in 275,000 miles the only thing that has failed=1 fuel pump. A couple dash lites (heater controls) went out. I put leather seat covers on a long time ago, still mint. So I doubt if much on the Laramie will be different. IMHO, leather seats last a long time if you take care. My AC still blows cold, heater is excellent. I put Rancho 9000 shocks on when new, still great. As a previous Toyota owner, the Rams hold up better.
 

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If you really will keep it that long then get the Max Care Lifetime Warranty, then no worries.
Thx! I'll have to google that , haven't heard of it before and usually the rule-of-thumb is not take "extras" at time of sale... But I need to educate myself on that, thanks.

Sure, the more options and accessories the more things that can potentially go wrong. I guess the only thing I will add is that for the most part, a Laramie will have the same major powertrain components of a SLT/Big Horn. So all is equal there in terms of longevity.

But as the previous post pointed out, the Maxcare warranty is certainly something to consider. I purchased it when I bought my 2017 Big Horn. Didn't get it when I bought my 2015 Express though.

Good luck in your decision!
Thanks!

I traded in a 2003 SLT Laramie on a 2017 Limited.

I didn't own the 03 since new and can't speak for what was repaired prior to me getting it. The vehicle was reasonably cared for but was exposed to SC and GA sun for it's entire lifespan.

The things I repaired were items that all models would have had to deal with, like power seat actuators stripped, heater core plugged up, broken blend doors, ripped drivers seat bottom, cracked dash, etc.

The wood trim and leather was all in excellent condition which is really all the Laramie packages got you in those days. The power door locks, remote entry, power windows, etc were all good.

FWIW, my 02 SLT that I sold with 327K miles on it had the exact same list of repairs made to it, as did my first 03 with only 105K.
Thx.
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If you can keep your vehicles from rusting out in Hawaii

Just get the Mopar Lifetime Maximum Care Warranty

shop for the best prices & then ask your dealership to match that lower price

This company sells the Mopar Plans for a decent price

http://www.chryslerfactoryplans.com/
Extremely helpful, +1 rep

As far as rust are you referring to the body or the underside?

I peeked under mine the other day as was surprised at the amount of rust already. Theres rust on the frame, entire drive shaft and parts of the rear axle and shock mounts as well asthe differential cover bolts. Looks horrible after just over a year old :smiledown:

Body looks fine and the underside of the cab/floorpans looks good.
Different salts in different applications rust differently. In Hawaii the body rusts thru long before the chassis components get encrusted. Salt/Sea air.
On the mainland its salted roads, spray, that encrusts the chassis. Mainland bodies can stay wonderful forever (except Michigan, Iowa, Boston, etc really salted road places.)

"Would I be mistaken to assume I could enjoy a fully functional healthy 1500 Laramie and all its goodies for as along as I enjoyed a 1500 SLT (or a manual Pontiac with hand-cranked windows and plain FM/AM radio) ???


Or would a loaded 1500 Laramie only be so much collection of sexy things that will fail one by one beginning on year five?


Your thoughts, please. Thank you in advance."

Hello Kukailimoku,

My name is Jason Edmonson and I am a Mopar extended warranty specialist for Chrysler Warranty Direct. Here's my take on all the bells and whistles on the new Rams.

We all know how older electronics begin having issues as they age, computers, cell phones, etc. I don't believe that the computers/electronics/tech in vehicles are any different. That's where the Mopar Maximum Care Vehicle Protection plans come into play.

For an individual like yourself, that plans to keep the vehicle until the wheels fall off, I would recommend the Lifetime Maximum Care plan (available on gasoline engine Ram 1500 and Ram 2500 that are less than 48 months old and that have less than 48k miles). The Lifetime Maximum Care plan is full mechanical and electric coverage for your vehicle with the exception of normal wear and tear parts for as long as you own the vehicle.

Feel free to call me at (888) 352-6103 for the absolute lowest pricing available for the Mopar Vehicle Protection Plans.

Have a great day!

[email protected]
Thanks!


I will be "googling" this, and when I order mine, will let you know. (I may now wait for the 2020 tho)

#1 use good oil

Okay, without digressing this thread off the deep end, I'll ask anyway:


by "good oil" you mean full synthetic I reckon;
and
what brands are "good"?


Oh boy, I can see the factions forming now...:SHOCKED:
Let the replies begin!:smiley_thumbs_up:

So many great replies, thanks all, I Rep'd many but will no longer post that each time.
 
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