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Hello, new here but have had a few Rams since 2005. I just came across this thread and figured I'd throw my cylinder #7 lifter failure in here as well. I bought my current 2012 Ram 1500 used Dec 2016 with 34k miles. It was bone stock and in great condition. I kept it stock till my cam and lifter replacement last summer. I put around 40k miles per year as it's my daily and work truck, so I had frequent oil changes and used Castrol Edge till I noticed a tick (sounded more like a chirp) winter of 2018 just after 100k miles. That's when I researched and found the common lifter failure, as well as lots of oil info in regards to the 3rd gen Hemi. I immediately switched to Pennzoil Platinum and amazingly the tick went away but came back a couple weeks later. I also had the exhaust manifold tick on the passenger side prior to the lifter tick, so I knew it was different and easy enough to distinguish. I babied it till the following summer when I could afford the swap. About a week after I purchased the truck I always manually turned the MDS off every time I started the truck, I couldn't stand the MDS kicking in, but it became habit. So when it came time to order parts I searched for cams that would provide more power but keep the power band lower than a full on drag setup, and eliminate MDS. Jay Greene became my go-to guy and got his Stage 2 low lift cam and non-MDS "Hellcat" lifters plus also a Diablo inTune i3 to switch off the MDS permanently. My buddy did the swap and replaced the exhaust manifold bolts as well. The swap was done at 125k miles and now have 151k miles with no problems whatsoever. I babied it for several months after figuring out my lifter problem, but honestly drove it too long (see pics), although I had no CEL or driveability issues until the very day I took it to my buddy to swap everything which is when the CEL came on and sputtered under hard acceleration getting up to speed on the highway with cars quickly bearing down on me. Now I've got more bolt-on mods and custom tune by Jay and couldn't be happier. I have always had extended idle time due to waiting at my kids school to pick them up and also during their hockey practice as we were always there way ahead of time, but only on days that were too hot or cold. So I doubt I had high idle time such as police cars but it probably contributed nonetheless. I have stuck with Pennzoil Platinum, due to Jay's recommendation, and the truck seems happy with it. I'm not someone that can stick an oem cam in a motor if I'm that far into it, so finding Jay Greene was a blessing. There's other great aftermarket cam options as well for those that need a new cam, but I can attest to how great Jay has been through the whole process from cam and lifter suggestion to his custom tunes. For those wanting to eliminate MDS you just need the non-MDS lifters and a way to shut it off by either Diablo, custom tune or HP Tuners, there may be other options but am not sure. I kept the factory MDS plugs under the intake manifold instead of getting the aftermarket block-off plugs. You can see in the pics where the plastic retainer cracked and allowed the lifter to rotate 90 degrees and also slide out a little, so it was digging into the cam lobe severely.
 

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Another victim here. 2012 with 202,000. At least I got more miles then a lot of others here. Still weighing my options but with probably go with a remanufactured motor. Hard pill to swallow being truck will be worth about the same or less then what this will cost to fix.
 

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So, is this lifter failure an inevitable event that will happen with all gen 4 5.7 hemi engines? Are there any that made it past 200k without any lifter/camshaft failures?

I want to pull the trigger on a 2011 outdoorsman with 150k on it. Truck runs great but this problem with the engine failing is unsettling. No ticking or oil leaks. No record of it being serviced for lifter/camshaft failure from the dealer.
 

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Hey all, read through quite a bit of this thread and have a couple of questions.

2012 5.7 w/MDS, 50k miles. slight tick started recently after it sat for a while.

I have the engine and trans pulled for a cleaning and trans re-seal. While it's out I'd like to try and proactively address the lifter/cam issue.I can do the work myself so labor cost isn't a factor.

What's the best solve here? Replace with the 'updated' Dodge OE lifters? Aftermarket? Do all upgraded aftermarket solutions require deleting the MDS?

Thank you for any advice.
 

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2011 2500, 89,000 miles
Truck developed bad miss under load with check engine light.
Took it in, Stealership cleared codes and said "could not dup"
They charged me 106.00 for diagnostics (apparently only lubed parts are covered in 5/100,000 powertrain)
I picked it up after hours, and as soon as I left the lot it started acting up.
I called the next morning and told them about it, they said "it's fuel or ign"
I said "I think it's a cam or lifter" (the code was for #5 cylinder misfire). I told them I wanted them to pull the valve cover. They said 5.5 hours to pull it, and they told me that I would have to pay for that time if it came out ok.
So I brought it home and pulled the cover (40 min total off and back on)

Here's the vid of what I found !
#5 intake lobe is toast!
Tomorrow they are getting an ear full

Certainly sounds like you are dealing with people who are and will always be working against you with whatever you come up against for service.. maybe you should be trying to find a new dealership that prefers to work on your truck instead of sounding like the prefer working against you.. Just Say'n..
 

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2014 Ram 1500 5.7, Never really noticed the noise because i don't use auto start too often and the sounds i did hear, i just assumed was the exhaust manifold bolts. Buddy of mine who is a mechanic at a dealership noticed the ticking sound and immediately pointed it out to be the lifter in either cylinder 3 or 7. He said those were the most common hes run into with the 5.7s. Crappy part is that i always do all my all oil changes and regular maintenance so i know that nothing used is over put into my truck (my mom had personally had it happen where they dont change out the oil filter. And drum oil isn't always the cleanest despite paying for synthetic.)
I haven't had any codes come up, but i decided to get it squared away before i had any bigger issues. Sure enough, cylinder 3 had severe wheel play. 3 other lifters had mild play. No other physical damage to the lifters. Crossed my fingers for no cam damage, but that didnt go in my favor. Im probably out of luck because of me doing my own maintenance due to trust issues from small shops and refusing to pay dealership prices. But oh well
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I’ve got a 2011 ram sport. Bought it in September with 166,000 kms on it. Nice truck worked and sounded great. Within a week I had a loud tick, more tapping. A couple weeks ago I had a flashing check engine light and took it to the shop and lifter 3 wasn’t working right. I had a new mopar camshaft and mds lifters installed and the tick/tap sounds nearly identical to before the replacement. I’m getting P0152 codes now which I didn’t have before. The wrong head gaskets were in the kit as well and when the mechanic was adding antifreeze to the engine they noticed it was leaking around the heads. Would this cause any of my issues?? $5200 and I’m not much farther ahead.
 

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I’ve got a 2011 ram sport. Bought it in September with 166,000 kms on it. Nice truck worked and sounded great. Within a week I had a loud tick, more tapping. A couple weeks ago I had a flashing check engine light and took it to the shop and lifter 3 wasn’t working right. I had a new mopar camshaft and mds lifters installed and the tick/tap sounds nearly identical to before the replacement. I’m getting P0152 codes now which I didn’t have before. The wrong head gaskets were in the kit as well and when the mechanic was adding antifreeze to the engine they noticed it was leaking around the heads. Would this cause any of my issues?? $5200 and I’m not much farther ahead. Truck now has 174000
 

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Hey everybody. I've read a lot of this thread and I'm wondering if anyone who has fixed their cam/lifter failure can chime in about how many miles they've driven since then, what replacement parts they went with and how the repairs are holding up?

I've got a 2012 with 185k that is currently in the shop for what I suspect is cam/lifter failure and I'm trying to figure out the most reliable parts to use.

I love this truck we've been through hell and back, done lots of work and lots of towing and it's been very reliable until now. would like to see it get to 300k if at all possible.
 

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Ok, I haven’t posted here in awhile. But I would like to share a little with you. ‘14 Outdoorsman, bought new in ‘14. At 3 years/59,000 miles, had a bad miss, took to dealership, said needed cam & lifters. What? Are you serious? Oh, well, it’s covered by warranty.

About a year or so later I hear about the “problems” that apparently a bunch of us don’t have (!) and find out that supposedly there was an updated lifter available in 2017 or so to take care of the problem. Don’t know whether mine had old- or new-style lifters installed.

Well, it’s another 3 years (almost to the day) and another 60,000 miles, and guess what???? Yup. Cam & lifters again. FCA wouldn’t take an independent garage’s word for it, so had them reinstall valve cover, coils, etc so I could drive it to the Ram dealer. Tell them I just want a diagnosis so I can let FCA know and see if they’ll do anything. What’s REALLY pissing me off is that my truck stayed at the indy shop a week & a half while he tried in vain to come up with all the necessary aftermarket repair parts (THAT outta tell you something right there!). Then took it to the dealer, and today has been nine days. For a diagnosis that I was told would cost me $140. Guess everybody over there was hoping that truck was gonna magically disappear or something. Finally called the service manager, who claims he was unaware that my truck was even there - despite the fact that HE GAVE ME the phone # for FCA a few days before. I tell him “no word from y’all in 9 days?” He says “the service writer’s new.” Really? WTH?

Anyway, as of a few minutes ago, he e-mailed FCA the diagnosis and “warranty pricing” to repair the engine ($5,700). Will wait to see what, if anything, they’ll do. The lady who opened my case at FCA a few days ago said it was w/in parameters to be looked at for possible help.

We’ll see ...
 

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2011 2500, 89,000 miles
Truck developed bad miss under load with check engine light.
Took it in, Stealership cleared codes and said "could not dup"
They charged me 106.00 for diagnostics (apparently only lubed parts are covered in 5/100,000 powertrain)
I picked it up after hours, and as soon as I left the lot it started acting up.
I called the next morning and told them about it, they said "it's fuel or ign"
I said "I think it's a cam or lifter" (the code was for #5 cylinder misfire). I told them I wanted them to pull the valve cover. They said 5.5 hours to pull it, and they told me that I would have to pay for that time if it came out ok.
So I brought it home and pulled the cover (40 min total off and back on)

Here's the vid of what I found !
#5 intake lobe is toast!
Tomorrow they are getting an ear full

yes a few 5.7 and up lifters cheaply made bearing fall out of rollers so take back or maybe to new stealership to check with valve covers off to see if rockers aren't working on engine I hear 1 3 5 4 6 were ones gone bad so fare i had a code 301 number one bad did new plug did new coil turn out a fuel injector and new exhaust was replace glad I only payed 100.00 but light ticking on other side now 59,000 on it 2010 sucks
 

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Ok, I haven’t posted here in awhile. But I would like to share a little with you. ‘14 Outdoorsman, bought new in ‘14. At 3 years/59,000 miles, had a bad miss, took to dealership, said needed cam & lifters. What? Are you serious? Oh, well, it’s covered by warranty.

About a year or so later I hear about the “problems” that apparently a bunch of us don’t have (!) and find out that supposedly there was an updated lifter available in 2017 or so to take care of the problem. Don’t know whether mine had old- or new-style lifters installed.

Well, it’s another 3 years (almost to the day) and another 60,000 miles, and guess what???? Yup. Cam & lifters again. FCA wouldn’t take an independent garage’s word for it, so had them reinstall valve cover, coils, etc so I could drive it to the Ram dealer. Tell them I just want a diagnosis so I can let FCA know and see if they’ll do anything. What’s REALLY pissing me off is that my truck stayed at the indy shop a week & a half while he tried in vain to come up with all the necessary aftermarket repair parts (THAT outta tell you something right there!). Then took it to the dealer, and today has been nine days. For a diagnosis that I was told would cost me $140. Guess everybody over there was hoping that truck was gonna magically disappear or something. Finally called the service manager, who claims he was unaware that my truck was even there - despite the fact that HE GAVE ME the phone # for FCA a few days before. I tell him “no word from y’all in 9 days?” He says “the service writer’s new.” Really? WTH?

Anyway, as of a few minutes ago, he e-mailed FCA the diagnosis and “warranty pricing” to repair the engine ($5,700). Will wait to see what, if anything, they’ll do. The lady who opened my case at FCA a few days ago said it was w/in parameters to be looked at for possible help.

We’ll see ...
buy one from powertrain co they fix all problems replace a lot think 4000. can get 7 year warranty on it too they do better pistons vale work and better drain hole and so much more so if mine goes hope to buy one there bet dealer wont let me 2,000 to install forget dealer cost way to much unless u get it 100.00 like mine 100,000 powertrain warranty got them by the balls !
 

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Just want to give some hope to those looking at buying a used Ram. I’ve got a 12 Ram with 207,000 miles and no lifter/cam problems yet (knock on wood). I picked it up Dec of 18 with 184,000 on the clock and full MX records. I did take the eventual lifter/cam replacement into account when I bought it. I’m planning on doing a MDS delete with upgraded lifters this fall if it doesn’t fail first. I do have a tick that I’m pretty sure is just manifold bolts which will be taken care of with headers later this year as well, probabbly at the same time I do the cam. Also at 205,000 miles I replaced the trans as a precautionary measure. Occasionally it would not fully engage reverse or drive, always corrected itself by shifting to park then back into gear, and the fluid was starting to brown 20,000 after a fluid change. All in all I can’t complain one bit.
 

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Hey everybody. I've read a lot of this thread and I'm wondering if anyone who has fixed their cam/lifter failure can chime in about how many miles they've driven since then, what replacement parts they went with and how the repairs are holding up?

I've got a 2012 with 185k that is currently in the shop for what I suspect is cam/lifter failure and I'm trying to figure out the most reliable parts to use.

I love this truck we've been through hell and back, done lots of work and lots of towing and it's been very reliable until now. would like to see it get to 300k if at all possible.
Hopefully this isn't too late for you. I put an aftermarket cam in mine from Greene Racing, I figured if I need to change it I may as well get more power. He uses Comp Cams which is a proven and durable camshaft. I also put in the factory non-mds "Hellcat" lifters, and use a Diablo inTune i3 Platinum to turn off the mds. I now have a custom tune from Greene Racing and couldn't be happier. I have 30k miles on my 2012 Ram 1500 since the cam/lifter swap without issues, and have also done a few bolt-on mods as well since then. Greene Racing has several different cam options and it's best to speak to him about your needs to decide which cam is right for you. He can be found on facebook, or if you don't have facebook then let me know via PM and I'll send you his email.
Also, from all my research and talking to people in the know, I believe that proper oil is a massive necessity for these Gen 3 Hemi motors. I use either Pennzoil Platinum or Ultra Platinum ever since the cam/lifter swap. There are other options as well from Royal Purple and Amsoil plus others but the Pennzoil Platinum is cheaper and does the job.
 

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Hopefully this isn't too late for you. I put an aftermarket cam in mine from Greene Racing, I figured if I need to change it I may as well get more power. He uses Comp Cams which is a proven and durable camshaft. I also put in the factory non-mds "Hellcat" lifters, and use a Diablo inTune i3 Platinum to turn off the mds. I now have a custom tune from Greene Racing and couldn't be happier. I have 30k miles on my 2012 Ram 1500 since the cam/lifter swap without issues, and have also done a few bolt-on mods as well since then. Greene Racing has several different cam options and it's best to speak to him about your needs to decide which cam is right for you. He can be found on facebook, or if you don't have facebook then let me know via PM and I'll send you his email.
Also, from all my research and talking to people in the know, I believe that proper oil is a massive necessity for these Gen 3 Hemi motors. I use either Pennzoil Platinum or Ultra Platinum ever since the cam/lifter swap. There are other options as well from Royal Purple and Amsoil plus others but the Pennzoil Platinum is cheaper and does the job.
Thanks for sharing man that is pretty insightful. I did actually end up going with a .5 HL v2 from Jay Greene and hellcat lifters. It just didnt make sense not to get the few extra ponies while the engine was torn apart. Good to hear that its holding up well 30k later, looks like I need to do some more reading on what oil to run.
 

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Saw this video today. This is the best reason I have seen why these engines have lifter failures. I won't be using my remote start to warmup my truck anymore.

 

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Tony doesn't even know the oil lifter galley exists... Needs to stick to old stuff.

Honestly if you guys are worried, why are you not getting an oil analysis(40$)? If it shows its failing, take it to the dealer.
 

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Yeah, 'ol Tony isn't diagnosing accurately. I watched both videos, and the 2nd one clearly shows the oil feed galley holes in the lifter bores. So something else is going on to produce so many HEMI lifter failures that we don't hear about with other V8 engines.

I don't think a harder cam (if even available) is the solution here - there is an issue causing the lifter rollers to seize and turn sideways in the bore that wipe the cam lobe. The cam lobe wiping is a secondary failure, not the root cause. I haven't seen a viable fix yet. There's another thread going on with all sorts of speculation and no real answers.
 

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The lifters are in retainers, they can't turn sideways. But if your roller needle bearings fail and the roller seizes, it doesn't take long for a stuck roller to wipe a cam lobe.
 
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