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I towed a ram this am and he was just missing a pole so I had him goto 4wd low lock and I would tow him slightly forward and have him give it gas to miss the pole being I could not tow him forward from where he was. So I hooked up and he went to 4wd low lock. I looked back and the rear tires were spinning ! I just told him again to goto low lock. He said it is ! So I looked, it said it was. He gave it alittle gas and the front started spinning. IMO the truck should be locked together and spin one front and one rear unless lsd. Im shocked that this case will not go into lock. Are they all like this ? Mine seems to lock but mine has the older case.

interesting ....:4-dontknow:
 

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Without being intimate with the situation my guess is with the electronic selector sometimes takes a few seconds to go between selections. Probably didn't wait long enough. They are not Torsen or viscous coupled
 

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With the electronic transfer cases, if you apply too much power during the shift, the computer will refuse the shift. That's why it finally went in when he lifted on the throttle. Also, if the truck is stationary and there is to much pressure on the driveline the gears will not be able to mesh, and again the computer will refuse the shift. Your buddy needs to read his manual.
 

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um no ! you might wanna go look at your truck ...if your transfercase has the auto 4wd option you do NOT have 4wd lock ! you only have AWD ...

if you put your truck in 4wd lock it will not be locked into 4wd ! the front will not be locked.

To test this go out and find a parking lot with ice in it and put the front wheels upto the curb ,goto 4wd low lock (wait for the 4wd lock light to come on) let off the brake and the rear tires will spin (if on ice) and the fronts will not ! if you jump on the gas the front will engage. thats AWD not 4wd lock ...:LOL:


youve been had ! .....
 

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um no ! you might wanna go look at your truck ...if your transfercase has the auto 4wd option you do NOT have 4wd lock ! you only have AWD ...

if you put your truck in 4wd lock it will not be locked into 4wd ! the front will not be locked.

To test this go out and find a parking lot with ice in it and put the front wheels upto the curb ,goto 4wd low lock (wait for the 4wd lock light to come on) let off the brake and the rear tires will spin (if on ice) and the fronts will not ! if you jump on the gas the front will engage. thats AWD not 4wd lock ...:LOL:


youve been had ! .....
That is not the way mine works. If I put it in 4W Lock and wait for the confirmation on the instrument panel I have 4 lock just like all the other 4x4 vehicles I have ever had. If I put it in 4W Auto it work as you describe. I think in the OP the other driver did not allow the transfer case to actually get into 4 lock as TCJ suggested.
 

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before you say yours dont do that go out and test it ..... the only time the case will engage 4wd is when the gas is pressed ..thats awd not 4wd lock ..

Note this is not the standard 4wd case. that case will do 4wd lock.
 

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while searching for info on this , I found this !
Ha Im not the only one who understands this problem ....

ww w .ram forum .com /f38/4x4_problem_ram_2013_8-speed-40753/ ((((****put the link back together****)))
 

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Manual engagement FTW, love my PW, never have that issue!
Manual engagement is so much better, my 98 cummins work rig has it. I do not like relying on a dial for 4x4 and waiting for the damn thing to lock in a light up, 4x4 low takes forever -.-
My truck locks because I don't have all these fancy auto 4x4 feat like the higher end Rams and GM trucks do. Just 4x4 lock and 4x4 low.
 

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wonder if one could order the parts to convert it back to manual and or make/design a kit to do it. to me it would not be to hard. I wish mine was a manual. My other f150 has failed twice when plowing and need me to remove the engagement motor and turn out 4wd low by hand ! sucks when its freeking cold out !
 

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before you say yours dont do that go out and test it ..... the only time the case will engage 4wd is when the gas is pressed ..thats awd not 4wd lock ..

Note this is not the standard 4wd case. that case will do 4wd lock.
I have read your comments and the other comments you linked to, and all I can say is that in my own experience with my own truck, 4 Hi, is definitely engaged 100% of the time. There is no slip or disengagement whatsoever.

Even in 4 Auto, I have not encountered what you are describing, and god knows we have had our fill of ice and snow this winter.

What I could see happening with this type of wet clutch arrangement, is that you could potentially burn the clutch pack with allot of abuse. :4-dontknow:
 

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before you say yours dont do that go out and test it ..... the only time the case will engage 4wd is when the gas is pressed ..thats awd not 4wd lock ..

Note this is not the standard 4wd case. that case will do 4wd lock.
Hang on, is it your truck that is spinning or the truck you were trying to pull???
 

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um no ! you might wanna go look at your truck ...if your transfercase has the auto 4wd option you do NOT have 4wd lock ! you only have AWD ...

if you put your truck in 4wd lock it will not be locked into 4wd ! the front will not be locked.

To test this go out and find a parking lot with ice in it and put the front wheels upto the curb ,goto 4wd low lock (wait for the 4wd lock light to come on) let off the brake and the rear tires will spin (if on ice) and the fronts will not ! if you jump on the gas the front will engage. thats AWD not 4wd lock ...:LOL:


youve been had ! .....
Try it this way...

Put the truck in 4WD Low Lock and drive around the parking lot a couple of times... on the throttle and off the throttle... Then pull up to the curb and let me know what you find.

The Borg Warner 44-44 On Demand t-case should be locked front to rear identical to the 44-45 part-time case in the 1500's (and the 44-46 and 44-47 part-time cases in the HD's) once it is engaged.
 

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Manual engagement is so much better, my 98 cummins work rig has it. I do not like relying on a dial for 4x4 and waiting for the damn thing to lock in a light up, 4x4 low takes forever -.-
My truck locks because I don't have all these fancy auto 4x4 feat like the higher end Rams and GM trucks do. Just 4x4 lock and 4x4 low.
You rely on vacuum actuation. It is not full manual. For full manual you you'll need manual locking hubs. Without the vacuum actuator doing its thing you still have no 4x4 regardless if you tcase is manually selected into 4wd
 

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youll find out ... the case will not lock untill you get on the gas..its awd not full lock

simple test : goto 4wd low lock ...drive it alittle so you know its in... put it in park...use a floor jack and jack the rear up slighly. ... get in truck,go to drive,release brake.... whats happening ? oh yea the rear tires are spinning ! if it was a true lock the truck would want to go forward and or rear tires would not be spinning . :thk:
 

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youll find out ... the case will not lock untill you get on the gas..its awd not full lock

simple test : goto 4wd low lock ...drive it alittle so you know its in... put it in park...use a floor jack and jack the rear up slighly. ... get in truck,go to drive,release brake.... whats happening ? oh yea the rear tires are spinning ! if it was a true lock the truck would want to go forward and or rear tires would not be spinning . :thk:
To make sure that I understand...

What happens in that case if you get on the throttle after you release the brake? Everything then locks up?? The same as it would in 4WD Auto???
 

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yep if you get on the gas it will engage. its a on demand/awd system you have not locked . only a clutched engagement. unlike the trucks without the auto option 4wd is locked together inboth 4wd high and low.

The big problem is if you get stuck in thick mud ect you can burn up the 4wd very fast. why? if the front and or rear tires are stuck/not spinning and you gas it the rear or front can spin without the others spinning. there not locked together. at this point the clutches are being over powered and destroying the case.
 

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Sumbitch... If the 44-44 in my new truck operates as you describe when it arrives, I'm gonna be pizzed. I need the 4WD Auto functionality for winter driving, but I will burn the clutches up in the t-case quickly off-road. Lock needs to be a mechanical (gear or chain) lock... not a clutch/lsd/coupler/etc.

I just found several threads on other forums about the exact thing you are describing.

Thanks for pointing this out. I think. :(
 

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yep if you get on the gas it will engage. its a on demand/awd system you have not locked . only a clutched engagement. unlike the trucks without the auto option 4wd is locked together inboth 4wd high and low.
This is absolutely not what is happening. If it is on your truck, you need to get it serviced.

And no, I am not putting my truck on a floor jack in 4 Hi to test this. Nor should anyone else.
 
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