[Wrayzor]

I was at a local dealer today about to purchase the set-up in the title of this thread. The dealer who is also a mechanic and installed said I would have major alignment issues with this set-up. He insisted it would be better with the 3" rear coils and bilsteins set at 2.1.

Anyone with the set-up mentioned fro the 6" lift, 5" coils and bilsteins that can chime in? I really like the look of the set-up from pics I have seen, but don't want any alignment issues later on down the road.

 

[draken]

I just installed a 6" with 5" rear and it seems to be doing just fine for me? I'm not sure why he would say that. Here's mine, Bilsteins are set at 1.4 though.

 

[Wrayzor]

He said maxing out the Bilsteins would throw off the geometry of the front too much for an alignment to compensate for. He then said setting them lower and going with 5" rear coils would give me too much rake. I just want to make one purchase, not go back to the drawing board several times to get it right.

 

[draken]

Well here's a side view with 1.4 for the front. I dont think that there is much rake at all?

Besides i know a lot of people having them set at 2.1 also without issues. I'm sure they will chime in soon here.

 

[Wrayzor]

Awesome look Draken! Thanks for the info!

 

[brandonjansen]

I wouldn't recommend setting the Bilsteins at 2.8" with the lift. For one, that will make it nose high. And two, it will create more stress on the front end parts and give it a slightly harsher ride. But you won't have any issues setting them at 1.4" or 2.1" to level out the lift. It's essentially the same as adding Bilsteins on a stock height truck because of the differential and control arm drop brackets and longer steering knuckles. There won't be any issues aligning it.

 

[draken]

No problem man!

I wouldn't recommend setting the Bilsteins at 2.8" with the lift. For one, that will make it nose high. And two, it will create more stress on the front end parts and give it a slightly harsher ride. But you won't have any issues setting them at 1.4" or 2.1" to level out the lift. It's essentially the same as adding Bilsteins on a stock height truck because of the differential and control arm drop brackets and longer steering knuckles. There won't be any issues aligning it.

Hoping you would chime in haha or FastNugly.

 

[Dodgey24]

I have that setup on my truck and it definitely sits a little nose high. The other thing I am not 100% sold on is that the rear brake lines are stretched a TON when you install the lift. When the weight of the truck is on the axle they are fine, but as soon as you lift the rear off the ground look out.

Other than that I have had zero alignment issues. However, I have the Zone upper control arms and they are wayyyy better than stock. The ball joint angle is night and day difference with the new beefy Zone ones.

 

[Dodgey24]

Hey Draken, what PSI are you running your Toyo's at? I believe are too low at 32, atleast thats what the truck is reading them at. I was thinking of running them at 40-45 like I use to run my Trail Graps on my F150.

Anyone have any input on this? Sorry for the sidebar....

 

[Wrayzor]

I have that setup on my truck and it definitely sits a little nose high. The other thing I am not 100% sold on is that the rear brake lines are stretched a TON when you install the lift. When the weight of the truck is on the axle they are fine, but as soon as you lift the rear off the ground look out.

Other than that I have had zero alignment issues. However, I have the Zone upper control arms and they are wayyyy better than stock. The ball joint angle is night and day difference with the new beefy Zone ones.

Any rubbing issues with those wheels and tires?

 

[Dodgey24]

Any rubbing issues with those wheels and tires?

I had to trim some plastic off as usual on the lower valence but other than that nope. On a side note, I did have to add 0.25" spacers because the wheel weights on my rims were placed on the outer edge of the wheel and would just hit the tie rod end and would make a frightening clicking noise. Took me a while to figure out what the noise was and I was all fired up thinking I re-installed something wrong. So instead of relocating the weights I just added the spacer and it worked like a charm.

Also, my tires/wheels are 37x13.5x18 Toyo M/T's with 18x10 Fuel Trophys with a -12mm offset. Just to be clear.

 

[fastNugly @ RP]

Maxing the Bilsteins on a 6" lift with 5" rear will not be difficult to align
This gets done almost everyday. If he can't align, take it elsewhere.
But given what you want to do and if you want dead level, setting the Bilstein at 2.1 or max will do just that depending on current rake.

4/5 guys will require maxing to level.
Beauty of the kit is the drop bracket compensates and CV angles are still decent.

Should require pricing on lift and Bilsteins let me know
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[draken]

Hey Draken, what PSI are you running your Toyo's at? I believe are too low at 32, atleast thats what the truck is reading them at. I was thinking of running them at 40-45 like I use to run my Trail Graps on my F150.

Anyone have any input on this? Sorry for the sidebar....

Hey man mine are around 40 in front and 37 in back i believe!

 

[Dodgey24]

Hey man mine are around 40 in front and 37 in back i believe!

Okay sounds good. Yeah I put mine at like 42 all the way around the other day. I was just checking to see what others had them at. Thank you!

 

[RAMinator13]

are you guys using the bilsteins set at 1.4 and 2.1 along with the strut spacer that comes in the zone kit or are you just using the bilsteins in place of the spacer???

 

[brandonjansen]

are you guys using the bilsteins set at 1.4 and 2.1 along with the strut spacer that comes in the zone kit or are you just using the bilsteins in place of the spacer???

With a lift you use the Bilsteins AND the strut spacer to achieve the desired amount of front end lift. You do not install the preload spacer on the Bilsteins though.

 

[blackonblack13]

But you won't have any issues setting them at 1.4" or 2.1" to level out the lift. It's essentially the same as adding Bilsteins on a stock height truck because of the differential and control arm drop brackets and longer steering knuckles.

I am so confused, I try to use the search function but it seems I hear different info everywhere. If you could help me out I would appreciate it. I to am looking at the Zone 6" lift but my confusion is weather I need the 3" or 5" rear coil? My factory rake is about 2-2.5". Zone recommended I go with the 3" coil and did not recommend using Bilsteins to level out the front and that the supplied spacer would be all I needed to be level. They said using the Bilsteins to make the front end higher would put more stress on the front end parts. You guys seem pretty knowledgeable and any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! Not trying to thread jack but I haven't fulfilled the post quota yet. :-/

 

[brandonjansen]

I am so confused, I try to use the search function but it seems I hear different info everywhere. If you could help me out I would appreciate it. I to am looking at the Zone 6" lift but my confusion is weather I need the 3" or 5" rear coil? My factory rake is about 2-2.5". Zone recommended I go with the 3" coil and did not recommend using Bilsteins to level out the front and that the supplied spacer would be all I needed to be level. They said using the Bilsteins to make the front end higher would put more stress on the front end parts. You guys seem pretty knowledgeable and any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! Not trying to thread jack but I haven't fulfilled the post quota yet. :-/

The answer depends on how high you really want to go.

If you want to put on just the 6" lift (which is actually +/- 5.5" of lift) and no Bilsteins on the front then you'll want the 3" rear coils to level the truck. If you want to go higher, get the 5" rear coils and get some Bilsteins on the front at 2.1" giving you about 7" of lift total which again, will level the truck. So like I said, it's all up to your preference on how high you want your truck to be.

Bilsteins do put slightly more stress on the front end parts because of the angle but nothing ridiculous at all. Most people won't even notice it over the life of the vehicle. As I've said before in this thread, putting Bilsteins on with a proper lift is no different than leveling a stock height truck as far as what the front end components experience.

 

[blackonblack13]

The answer depends on how high you really want to go.

If you want to put on just the 6" lift (which is actually +/- 5.5" of lift) and no Bilsteins on the front then you'll want the 3" rear coils to level the truck. If you want to go higher, get the 5" rear coils and get some Bilsteins on the front at 2.1" giving you about 7" of lift total which again, will level the truck. So like I said, it's all up to your preference on how high you want your truck to be.

Bilsteins do put slightly more stress on the front end parts because of the angle but nothing ridiculous at all. Most people won't even notice it over the life of the vehicle. As I've said before in this thread, putting Bilsteins on with a proper lift is no different than leveling a stock height truck as far as what the front end components experience.

I appreciate your Quick response and information. I have been reading about lift kits the last three weeks finding a new piece of information every day. Every time I think I make up my mind I find a new piece of information that changes it. I'm ready to order my crap, LOL
I think I will be okay with the 5.5 inches of lift. My last question would be, would you still recommend the Bilsteins upfront instead of the spacers as far as ride comfort/quality goes? Then, I could make adjustments to the front if necessary.

 

[brandonjansen]

I appreciate your Quick response and information. I have been reading about lift kits the last three weeks finding a new piece of information every day. Every time I think I make up my mind I find a new piece of information that changes it. I'm ready to order my crap, LOL
I think I will be okay with the 5.5 inches of lift. My last question would be, would you still recommend the Bilsteins upfront instead of the spacers as far as ride comfort/quality goes? Then, I could make adjustments to the front if necessary.

If you want to stick with just the 5.5" of lift you could use Bilsteins for a slightly better ride however you'll still need to use the strut spacer to achieve the full lift height. If you do use the Bilsteins in that way you'll set them at 0.7" and not use the 5/8" preload spacer that comes with the Zone kit.