great post and write up. Would this work on a 2012?

 

What happens if someone with a 2011/2012 does this,
then needs to take their truck in for service/warranty work and the dealer needs to plug their starscan into the OBDII?

Dont you need to keep a spare stock PCM on hand for that?
...is it possible to have two PCM's or can you only have one PCM locked to your VIN number at a time?

 

I bought a 2010 PCM on eBay and had it flashed to my truck. My stock PCM still works normally. Whenever I am going to have to take it in for service I will just swap out and put the stock one back in.

 

Question, is it possible to have a PCM flashed for more torque? the reason being is that I have a 2011 Hemi with 4:10 gears and 35's, everything works fine, but I do tow from time to time and could use more torque.

 

Thanks for info! I'm really considering this as well, ever since I got my longtubes, my truck surges at low RPMs and makes strange exhaust noise right before downshifting. So you have to buy the PCM from a dodge dealer? Or does B&G supply the PCM? How much is the final cost when it's all done? And will you ever be able to use a handheld tuner on it?

 

Ya more info please, Im about to throw headers on and a 28-3000 stall in my ram. Already have Corsa 3" exhaust, Volant, and Fastman Throttle body.

Maybe a link to the website where you got the PCM? What was the turn around time..
Did the dealership have to flash the new PCM to work with your VIN?

 

Sorry, I should have included more info on the PCM itself. When I went searching for a PCM I found 3 different ones that all said they would fit a 2010. I called a reman computer vendor and they said they needed a VIN to match me with my specific one. Since I didn't have a VIN that would match a 2010 I bought the most expensive one and it worked. lol. The part number is 05150500AA. Since you don't need a remanufactured and flashed PCM I bought one used on ebay. You could check ebay or a local junk yard. I ended up buying mine for 185 where as the online PCM dealers I found wanted 375+ and in many instances a core charge. I sent it into B&G with my VIN and mods. They will look up by VIN and flash your keys to it(the two original keys anyway, I'm not sure on extras). It was same day turnaround on their end and the total cost was 350 for the flash. The guy there is busy and kinda quick on the phone but helpful at the same time if that makes any sense. I have absolutely NO complaints about him or his work to this point. I didn't have to involve my dealer at all. My truck seemed to be two different motors. One from idle to 3500rpm, and another past that. It sounds like we shared the same issues. That is gone. Nice, smooth rpm curve. Without the clutch fan it revs quickly and seems to be more effortless. Overall I am very happy about my mods and if I continue to be happy then I will be doing some more intense motor work. I just wanted to check this out first. Anything I left out just ask, I'll do my best to answer...

 

This is great!! I knew B&G were tunning the 392's. This will be my next mod

 

It does run differently....the switch around 31-3500 is the active manifold. The tuning on the B&G is a much smoother transition. Those big free flowing exhausts don't like the low RPM end of the manifold without tuning.

 

That explains why my truck feels like a dog in low RPMs..I assumed that was torque management..cause at around 3,500 RPMs it pulls really hard.

 

Tim has been holding out info from me. Lol. Oh well. Not a problem anymore. Ha ha

 

It probably is the tranny fighting the extra torque the good exhaust makes.

AND I just remembered that!

 

Anyone know where to get one besides the dealer?

 

ELD got his used on ebay!

 

I checked there. Guess I'll have to keep checking. Don't feel like paying the core fee.

 

He didn't pay a core either!

 

That's exactly why I got it on eBay. Most of the PCM companies didn't have one and the ones that did wanted a core charge. I'll look up the guy I purchased mine thru when I get home and let you know. He had a bunch of computers and airbags so he must have some sort of salvage company. I figured no reason to buy a remanufactured one when I have to get it flashed again anyway

 

Great info.....Thanks for the post........

 

Ouch for over 600 think ill wait a bit rather have a tuner instead of oh shit my truck broke down got to swap pcm's lol but more power to you i guess for that much i want to be able to tune stuff myself

 

I want to be able to tune it too but at what point will that happen? Companies like Arrington are doing PCM swaps. To me, if they thought the tuners were coming any time soon they would be holding off on that rather than backing this. If you have the means who wants to wait for something they want. I've been waiting for a while and after doing some research on B&G I felt safe about the swap

 

Are there any downsides to this besides the cost? Will the odometer still be the same? Will the dealership be able to see that you've swapped PCMs, even though you put the original one back in? Is there anything I'm missing? Cause this sounds too good to be true!

 

Actually if the dealer does a true scan yes they can tell, the pcm reads the hours and drive time so say you swap it out drive 4-5 months and you have a problem put old one back in take to dealer they scan it they are going to question that. But some folks dont care about warranty others do

 

Forgive my ignorance, but......

I am new to Dodge's and this whole lack of a tuner thing is really ticking me off!!!! If you swapped a 2010 PCM into a 2011/2012 , why can't you use an available tuner on it? I thought I read about someone doing that...

 

I am new to Dodge's and this whole lack of a tuner thing is really ticking me off!!!! If you swapped a 2010 PCM into a 2011/2012 , why can't you use an available tuner on it? I thought I read about someone doing that...

It wont work and the dealer will know its not the 2011 pcm but if you dont care about your warranty then go for it

 

Hey where you get the pcm i looked everywhere think you bought the last one lol i want to get one to have just incase they never get us a tuner and after warranty is up its going in

 

I beleive chrys intentionally encrypted the pcms so you would have to buy their aftetmarket pcms slated to hit the shelves around the later part of 2012. And I beleive the Challengers will be the first to see them in hopes to not only sell the pcms but boost both Challenger and srt8 sales. They have no choice, Giles and Fiat have plans on the table to scrap the next gen Chally for a not so retro Alfa Cuda simular to what they did to the 2013 Dart. Have patience, we should hear something before the 13's hit the floor. They're already there for the new crate engines...I have a good feeling that something is going to give.

 

^^^ True Statement here. As for the B&G's not being able to be tuned by a handlheld tuner like SC and DSP well its because B&G "Flashed" it and they arent going to let it be able to be manipulated by anyone but themselves. Business is business people got to feed there kids... Now i think that Diablo could probably take one of B&G's PCM's crack it and make it tunable by a custom DSP but i doubt they would waste all that time just for one PCM...

 

Idk. B&G is a diablo sport dealer. I initially asked to purchase the PCM, intune, flash, and custom tune from them. If they really have the capability to be tuned by a handheld then they left a lot of money on the table

 

Dodgert, I got mine off of eBay. I need to look up the sellers name for someone else and will get it to you as well.

 

Be sure to let me know too! I'm really interested in this! I'm hoping I can maybe find a 2010 V6 Ram in a junkyard..get the PCM and the fan!

 

The V6 fan is the nuts! I emailed the seller I bought mine thru on eBay to see if he has any access to more PCMs for those who are interested. I will let you know what I find out from him whenever he responds

 

Where could i get a 2009-2010 pcm other than ebay cuz i cant find any on there

 

Maybe a salvage yard? I just went to dyno it today. I'll post all that tomorrow

 

Nice! Can't wait to hear the results! Your mods and mine are pretty similar right? So your numbers would probably be close to what I could expect from mine.