Pretty cool. But does that mean the pentastar in the ram will only have around 277 hp? Seems kinda weak compared to ford with 305

 

The problem with diesels in a 1/2 ton truck is every idiot with no diesel experience will think they now have a 1 ton truck and will overload them and have issues.
I can't tell you how many travel trailers and 1/2 ton trucks I've seen wadded up in a pile at the bottom of hills because the trailer was too big for the tow vehicle. The general populace is kinda stupid when it comes to towing stuff...I just see them thinking they have "diesel power" now and they can tow anything they want....

 

Sooo right about that!

 

^that's a good point. Do you think it'd still happen being it's a v6 deisel and not a big engine? I love diesel it's definitely the way to go.

 

wasn't the last gen Cummings a 6 cylinder? I don't see what difference the new engine being a V6 will make...

There are stupid people everywhere that will over loads their trucks... Unfortunately you can't fix stuupid

Exco

 

I used to have to drive a 6 yard, 10 wheel dump truck, & a 8 yard PUP trailer
It was a 225 Ford Diesel with a Allison transmission
it would have been a good vehicle, but it had lousy geared rear axles
the company that i worked for got a great deal on buying, they had been special ordered & the that company back out of the deal

The new Chrysler engine is a bit bigger, at 237

 

Yeah but this is a small 3.0 v6. The cummins isn't that like a 5.X or 6.X L engine? Twice the size.

 

All the cummins in the ram are straight six. But they're 5.9 and 6.7 liters making upwards of 300 hp and 500 torque from the factory(currently 350/800 with autos and 350/650 with manual)

 

Yes, the Cummins is a 6 but definitely should not be classed with what this engine is. Huge difference in power and probably even power potential. Any word on what kind of mileage to expect outta this motor? I would think mid to high 20's would be a must to make up for the added expense of running diesel.

 

especially with the '13 pentastar 8 speed combo rated at 25mpg on the hwy.

 

Cummins came out with a 4.2 v6 and a 5.6 v8 a long time ago....Dodge turned it down at first, so Cummins thought about putting out their own line of trucks with them....but it's good to see Dodge is actually thinking about it now.

 

I have seen commercials for the Penstar I can't wait until motor trend (Or another publication) tests it out.

I was somewhat interested in the pentastar v6 at first but am no longer impressed. I read that it makes peak power and torque above 6,000rpm. So that 305hp rating is pretty useless in real world driving. It just looks good on paper.

I think it's kind of funny how people say things like "the v6 has the same power as the 4.7L (305hp vs 310hp) and better mpg, so why have the 4.7L?". They overlook the fact that the 4.7L makes nearly 100 lbft more torque, and it makes it's peak power at mid rpms instead of high rpms(so it's actually usable power). And if you put the 8 speed behind the 4.7L and hemi then they will also get 17 city/25 hwy. Hell my 4.7L with the 6 speed gets very close to 17 city now and at least 20 hwy. Have gotten up as high as like 23 hwy before.

V6's will not run as long either due to poorer balancing.
Then the v6 costs more too.....

I'm not impressed with it.

I also read a review of the new ram and overall they liked it but they said they put like 2,500lbs behind the v6/8 speed and it was terrible.

 

Wherever you read peak torque at 6000rpm, never listen to ANYTHING they say.
Peaks are at 4800, redline is at 6200. Pentastar 3.6 makes 90% of its torque or more from 1600 to 6000rpm.
They are as fast in the cars as last gens hemi's

What makes you think a 60 deg v6 has balancing issues?

 

v6 in general are not as well balanced as v8's, just the nature of them.

You are right, I must have misread or misunderstood, peak torque is at 4800ish rpm like you said. The torque band seems to be decent. Still though peak hp over 6,000 rpm.

I'd have to see proof that they are as fast as the last hemi. 260ish lb ft v6 as fast as a 375ish lb ft v8? I know it has a significantly better trans and gearing, but I don't believe that.

I believe once they turbo it it will be good, but right now it's just not impressive to me.

Put the 8 speed behind the hemi and 4.7 and you'd get nearly the same mpg with tons more power and torque. Can't wait to see how the hemi does with the 8 speed, mpg should be pretty good. Torque and hp will be higher to the wheels as well since the new trans is better(less loss to the wheels).

That review said it struggled with something like 2,500 lbs behind it. I want a truck that can pull 2,500 lbs easily.

 

Read the speed figures on all par iirc.
I agree, in a truck if any towing or heavy it's not the engine to have.
I really think they are fixing to make a competitor for the Eco boost if it continues success.
I have a hemi now, I love it. I got 33" duratrac's and 2.5" lift and the truck still banged of 20+mpg on my last 3 trips (last 3 weekends)
So I don't see that as an issue.
I think they'll be fine for certain buyers. Honestly though I had no beef with the outgoing 3.7l. I had one in a Dakota I found it exceeded my expectations.

As for the v6 balance thing:
6x60 deg =360 deg. No issue
Lots of v6's with 200k + miles on them.

The v6's on 90deg config with split pin cranks have had varying degrees of success

What's long overdue is some love for the 4.7, and a bigger v8 in the 2500 and up trucks.

 

I love my 4.7, wish they would have put it in some smaller, lighter vehicles though. Having it compete with the hemi makes most people think it sucks.

I heard they are discontinuing the 4.7, any truth to that? If they turbo the v6 then it's understandable, but I'd take the 4.7L over the current v6 any day. Especially for less money.

 

A 60 degree V is perfect for a V6. The best 90 degree V6's have balance shafts in the vee and off set crank pins. Still would rather have a 4.7L V8 in a 4500+lb truck though. I will drive one (3.6 Pentstar) as soon as they get some at the local dealer, just to satisfy my curiosity.

 

The first 1/2 ton truck to come out from the big 3 with a diesel will be getting my money. That's all I have to say about that. SO HURRY UP DODGE!

 

i agree that they do need to give some love to the 4.7. i have driven the new 4.7 and while its definitely better than my 4.7 (07) it still feels like they could get more power out of it (as well as make some new aftermarket parts.

i would love to see how the 3.0 diesel does as well as the 3.6 pentastar

 

Correct me if im wrong but according to reports ive read over the years on pickuptrucks.com (GREAT site if you dont already check it out for truck industry news and their shootouts are epic) but a few years ago Furd Gm and Chrysler all had small diesels ready for the half tons (chryslers was def a cummins a v6 I believe) but than the new diesel emission standards came out and they all had to trash them b/c they could only produce these trucks for a year or two than have to totally revamp to meet the new standards and now the diesel allpar is reporting in the Ram1500 is a VM bc its within fiat group unlike cummins. Honestly if Ram had a cummins in a half tonit would def be my next truck when I finish payments on my 12 but if its a VM ill just wait for the 12 to be falling apart of a small jeep pickup if its done right just my .02

 

I was waiting on this, but ended up buying a 2012 Hemi. I can't wait to see how these do. I think their is definitely a market for these. If this can achieve the MPG of the Pentastar or better, but perform nearly as well as the Hemi while pulling a trailer I think Dodge has a real winner on their hands. A ton of HD diesel owners don't really need a HD, but get it because they want a diesel.

 

Exactly I cant tell you how many guys I know who dont need 2500s for their work but get one just b/c they love the diesel. Chrysler would get alotta sales from these guys if they had a 1500 diesel hopefully it would bring over some Ford and Gm guys if chrysler is first to the marked w/ a half ton diesel

 

*affordable* diesel. Sucks that to get a diesel you have to spend so much more up front. That's the only reason everyone I know doesn't get one. Many friends and myself want diesel but it's just not worth it for our use. Especially lately with the new regulations.

 

i would love to have a diesel but i didnt feel like paying an extra $6,000 for the diesel. i dont need it but it sure would be fun to drive! :bananalama: i hope they bring this out and it actually does good

 

I know gm had planned on doing it in the past until the emissions crap came out

 

Interesting read for sure.