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#1 ·
Okay well I guys I had a little accident offroading.... I might have hit a ditch at night doing like 45mph down a trail. In my defense the grass was tall and you couldn't tell it was there. I was just trying to cut through to get to a field.

Anyways I brought my truck to a new shop and according to them I have the following issues.

1) Slipped belt in 1 tire others are getting low on tread. Replace all 4 tires mount and balance - $1,151.52

2) Both outer tie rod ends- $218.54

3) Both front shocks $145.74

4) Replace lower ball joints $533.28

5) Replace upper ball joints $713.79

For a grand total of $3,146.71 after tax... They called me and told me that and my response was, take my truck off the lift and don't touch it.

I am going to be doing almost all the work myself so I have a few questions for you guys. Which parts should I put on priority first. Like if you could put these parts in order from importance of replacement what would it be? hahah Also should I get greaseable tie rod ends or should I go with non greaseable?

As for the tires... I'm picking up a set of 35" toyo m/t for $400 once I get my leveling kit.

As of now I'm looking at getting moog upper control arm with ball joints and bushings 2 for $172 and probably moog tie rod ends

Thanks for all the help guys.
 
#2 ·
How many miles are on your truck?

Why are they saying you need all the parts? (besides the tires, you've already explained that part)

Generally speaking when a vehicle is ran into a ditch or something, you may bend a control arm or an inner tie rod end. Sounds more like maintence recommendations unless the ball joint ripped apart or was somehow damaged.

As far as the order of importance, that will depend on why the parts were recommended. if they are loose or where actaully damaged then they need to be replaced soon but if the boots were torn or something similiar to that, then they can wait. First priority would be the tires, if it comes apart is could cause more damage to the truck. The suspension parts are really best to do all at the same time since tou have to take it all apart to change the lower ball joints, might as well change the uppers and outter tie rod ends while your there. Be sure to get it realigned after you get done as well.

If you can find out why the recommended the parts, I can be a little more helpful. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.
 
#3 ·
Get greasable as long as you will maintain it. Sealed is good for say 100k miles. Greasable will last damn near forever as long as you grease it every oil change or so.

Ball joints, tires, tie rod ends, then shocks. Shocks aren't really THAT important honestly. Do them last.
 
#4 ·
Thanks guys. I'm not sure if these problems are directly attributed to when I jumped the drainage ditch, but I brought it in for an alignment and they told me all this.

They say I need new tie rod ends because there is too much slack and new upper and lower ball joints because there is too much slack. They also said my shocks are very weak, but as of now I'm not really worried about them. I'm hoping to get bilstein adjustable shocks.

Ohh and my truck has 114,000 miles.
 
#5 ·
You can test all the parts yourself too.

Ball joints:
Lift the wheel slightly off the ground, put a tire iron between the tire and pavement and use it as a lever to "lift" the tire. If there is any play it's most likely a ball joint(could be wheel bearing also).

Shocks:
Push down on that corner of the car, over and over(get the car bouncing up and down) then suddenly stop and if the car continues to bounce a few times the shocks are bad. With good shocks when you stop bouncing it it should rise and not compress again.

Tie rod ends:
Feel for play in the wheel and crawl under and feel for play by hand. Also can try to turn the wheel with it off the ground(by hand...like you physically grab the tire and try to turn it) and if there is excessive play you should be able to feel it then.
 
#9 ·
I've never done them on a ram but usually you back off the nut then have to pry it apart. Takes some force usually. I've only done one set it was a PITA but probably just because I didn't really know what to do. I've watched my dad's mechanic friend do it and he did both sides in a couple hours, made it look easy. An impact helps a lot.
 
#11 ·
IIRC they are struts on the front?

Struts are pretty easy, just need a few tools. I actually just did a set saturday on my wife's car. Took me 4 hours to do both front struts and the rear shocks.

After the old strut is out you have to get a strut coil spring compressor(autozone has loaners) and compress the spring then take off the piston rod nut that holds it on. If you don't have this tool it's near impossible and dangerous. It's pretty easy overall though.

What makes strut/shock changes difficult is usually rusty/corroded hardware.
 
#12 ·
Here's what the strut coil spring compressor looks like. Ignore the fact that I'm using two different ones(from two different sets). One of mine got jambed/stuck somehow during use and I couldn't tighten or loosen it so I had to cut it to get it off then used an autozone loaner to finish up. So I had one of mine and one of autozones on the spring.

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The one from autozone(bottom) is significantly better and easier to use. And twice the cost lol.
 
#13 · (Edited)
Ok a couple of things here. Almost everthing you said isn't that hard to do, probably ball joints are the worst of them. If it were me I would do tie rod ends and ball joints at the same time because to do ball joints you have to disconnect the tie rod end. If you look at my post here http://www.ramforumz.com/showthread.php?t=117742 it will help out alot on ball joints (lowers), and upper are very east on our style trucks because there are just 2 bolts because you replace the whole control arm.

Also isn't your 2005 torsion bars, not coil over? If it is a 4x4 then it is like this
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#19 ·
Ok, I was just letting you know what I found out. Don't even mess around with a pickle fork because its a waste of time. That front end kit that I was talking about has a separator for tie rod ends, and even more important it has one for ball joints that makes them just pop off. Here is what it looks like
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#21 ·
Well guys I did the upper control arms when I got outta class today. And I must say, I had some serious difficulty with this one. Mostly because I didn't have the correct tools. I just moved to my own house so I don't have a compressor, impact or nothin. I'm not going to lie. It took about 5 hours. I had stubborn bolts, no good penetrant and the ball joints were a real pita. I bought a little remover tool fork lookin thing. My left side was so bad I had to use ******* ingenuity to get it off. Anyways I'll post some pictures tomorrow. And I'm doing the tie rod ends tomorrow when I get outta class at 1:30.
 
#24 ·
Well I went to every auto parts store in town and no one had a tie rod puller thingy. I did the tie rod ends tonight and they were a PITA too. Took about three hours to do both sides. Anyways here's some pictures from last night.

Workin in the dark taking advantage of the light plant I bought for the hurricane season hahaah.

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Got the new upper control arm on.

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******* ingenuity at it's finest right here. Put a 2x4 on a jack pushing up on the fork thingy. Worked pretty good actually.

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And of course the reward
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I'm trying to get my bilsteins put on friday so I can go pick up my friends toyo m/t 35x12.5s. Hoping to be leveled with new tires and new lower ball joints by next week.